On Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:32:46 -0000, rthorm wrote:

>As these things tend to do, it took me longer than I had hoped to get the outline
>of my Medford adventure pulled together and in presentable form, but it's done.

Yes, that's usually the case with me, too. :) I am actually
rather pleasantly surprised that I'm not the only one who writes up
outlines of the DQ scenarios that I intend to run, simply because it
seems expedient to do so. Also, the outline and draft can be really
useful when playtesting material that you want to see if it works
properly.

>I'd like to direct everyone who is interested in sharing adventure
>ideas over to the DQN-list for that, however. The DQ-rules group
>should concentrate on the game mechanics (and especially new rules or
>revised and improved versions of existing rules). The DQN-list group
>already has a file of Adventures, and further contributions are always
>welcome.

This sounds like a good idea, although the other DQ list that I
re-launched (which has no traffic now) could also put some of the files
into its archives.

>The Medford adventure can be found at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dqn-list/files/Adventures/Medford.txt

I took a look at the Medford adventure, and thought the idea was
solid. As you said, it would require a bit of work on the part of the
GM to set the adventure up and get it going, but this is a good
framework for a scenario. Well done, Rodger. :)


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> Chello!
>
> I once found an expanded armor table on the Net, but
> can't seem to
> find the link now. Anyone know where it is?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony

Chello!

Thanks.  That was the one.

Why didn't I think of Google?  D'oh!   (And I'm a grad student in history...for shame!)

Tony

 William Hough wrote:

Tony,

Try this link, it was the only one I could find after
an exhaustive Google search (keywords - Dragonquest
new armor):

http://www.geocities.com/teware01/twdq.htm

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>Okay, maybe it's because I'm out of work and have a lot of time to
>think. Or, maybe it's because I've been re-reading some of the Ethshar
>books by Lawrence Watt-Evans and that got me thinking about how magic
>should work in a fantasy world. In any case, here's a concept I'd like
>some opinions on...
>
>Is there any reason an enterprising, and very skilled, wizard would not
>be able to herd together some suckers, er "apprentices", and teach them
>one or two spells that they learned to cast really well? Then, put said
>savants into an assembly line enchanting items? What would prevent
>something like that from happening in DragonQuest? A person could make
>a killing in the magic weapon business that way....
>Seriously, though, it occurs to me that the rules point toward setting
>that up as a possibility. Thoughts?

> Okay, maybe it's because I'm out of work and have a
> lot of time to
> think. Or, maybe it's because I've been re-reading
> some of the Ethshar
> books by Lawrence Watt-Evans and that got me
> thinking about how magic
> should work in a fantasy world. In any case, here's
> a concept I'd like
> some opinions on...
>
> Is there any reason an enterprising, and very
> skilled, wizard would not
> be able to herd together some suckers, er
> "apprentices", and teach them
> one or two spells that they learned to cast really
> well? Then, put said
> savants into an assembly line enchanting items?
> What would prevent
> something like that from happening in DragonQuest?
> A person could make
> a killing in the magic weapon business that way....
> Seriously, though, it occurs to me that the rules
> point toward setting
> that up as a possibility. Thoughts?
>
> How about seeing that in a fantasy novel? Would you
> believe it, if
> enough back story supported the theory?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
> --
> "What is impossible today may suddenly become
> possible tomorrow."
> - Thomas Merton
>
>

>
> Anyway, I will give you my opinion on this subject.
> It's really based on my view why "Magic Shops" really
> don't work in a reality-based RPG, but I suppose it
> will do for this discussion (by the way, folks, it's a
> discussion, not a heated debate. There are no "wrong"
> answers.)

> Some reasons why that enterprising skilled wizard may
> have trouble realizing his assembly-line dreams (I
> said MAY):
>
> 1. He can probably coast for a few months, until word
> reaches the local powerful ruler (who of course has
> eyes and ears everywhere) by any number of means. The
> next thing you know, a couple of the ruler's legions
> show up outside the wizard's base of operations, with
> basically two choices: come work for said ruler, or
> the place gets levelled to the ground, along with
> enterprising wizard. By the way, magic-boy, you owe me
> 25,000 gold shillings in back-taxes.

> 3. Even if the wizard is not found out for some time,
> he's going to be charging quite a large sum for those
> magic items (he's out to make a killing, right?). This
> will drastically affect the economy over time, as word
> gets around and demand increases. Thus, prices rise as
> supply lowers. Meanwhile, a considerable percentage of
> the total consumer spending capital that had been
> going into the local economy is now being channeled
> into the pocket of enterprising wizard. Demand for
> non-essential goods drops. Supply in these areas
> becomes more plentiful, and prices go down.

> 7. But when it really comes right down to it, magic
> items remain something that should always be rare and
> precious in the FRP genre. If you start treating them
> as an assembly-line industry, you will in effect
> deprive yourself and your fellow players of a vital
> part of what motivates adventurers.

> I suppose it *could* be done if you did it only once
> in a while to finance a major undertaking and the GM
> didn't openly oppose the idea. But it's never a clever
> idea to start undermining the walls of game balance.
> Keep that in mind. And good luck with your new
> business.

> Most of William Hough's comments on the "Magic Shop
> situation" I thought were very good ones, and can be
> summarized as follows: don't forget that your Shaper
> isn't operating in a vacuum.

> This question also got me thinking about the assembly
> line grunts. Let's assume this guy (or gal) has just
> been hired and trained to cast a spell. He probably
> has a low MA (10 would be human average, and judging
> by the non-mages in adventuring parties, more like 5).
> People genetically gifted with high MA's, I feel,
> would either be actively recruited or tend to
> naturally gravitate to become Collegiate Adepts. In
> feudal societies, becoming a wizard is one of the few
> means of upward mobility. Anyway, this already put
> our workman at a severe casting disadvantage Base
> Change-wise. And since he only knows the spell at low
> Rank, he probably has an abyssmal cast chance. This
> means that said workman is going to be backfiring
> relatively frequently. So, I would have to add to the
> cost to train this fellow the continuing cost of
> "medical care" for when he and the rest of the staff
> inevitably curses themselves, backfire results on each
> other, etc. I may be midjudging the magnitude of this
> as a problem, I'd have to really study the magic item
> creation rules again. But it seems to me another
> legitimate issue.

> As a final point, some comments regarding an Adept
> training people in the use of only a couple of spells.
> Whether a GM should allow this depends a lot on his
> interpretation of what it means to belong to a
> College. Adepts loose all knowledge of spells from
> one College when they learn another, and part of being
> an Adept is a mindset that is very particular to that
> College and mutually contradictory to others. I
> -think- that's stated in the books. Having that
> mindset is necessary to casting the spells of the
> College. Any spells. My interpretation then, is that
> the time necessary to become an Adept involves not
> just learning the spells, like you'd memorize an act
> of Hamlet or something, but also learning to think as
> an Adept, becoming thoroughly indoctrinated to the
> philsophy. So, in other words, you can't cast spells
> 'til you learn the mindset, and you learn the mindset
> by learning to cast the GK spells. Thus, my
> interpretation is that learning the General Knowledge
> of a College is an all or nothing proposition. That's
> purely a GM interpretation, however.

> Gosh, this was a good question! It really got me
> thinking about what my idea of an Adept and a College
> really is.
>
> Damn. That was quite a thought provoker.

Chello!

 Steven Wiles wrote:

Small point:  large population centers are low mana
areas, and are very bad for crafting items. 

I've always wondered how many GMs forget this important fact--it is the natural, unspoiled areas that have the best mana, but that urban areas are a blight to magic.  Especially large cities like a Roman or Byzantium or Baghdad...most areas of them, I think anyway, should be dead mana areas.  Ever wonder why elves prefer the forests? Now you know!

As a final point, some comments regarding an Adept
training people in the use of only a couple of spells.
Whether a GM should allow this depends a lot on his
interpretation of what it means to belong to a
College.  Adepts loose all knowledge of spells from
one College when they learn another, and part of being
an Adept is a mindset that is very particular to that
College and mutually contradictory to others. I
-think- that's stated in the books. 

It is.  I have seen references to the Chaosium "Thieves' World" (Sanctuary) supplement that leads me to believe that they introduced DQ optional rules for allowing adepts to study in two colleges at once.  Anybody have a copy of this and can enlighten us?  (That's got to be one of the hardest fantasy supplements to find and I love Sanctuary's atmosphere. ~sigh~)

In some instances it makes sense. Greater Summoners who also have knowledge of necromancy.  Namers who know shaping magics. Celestial adepts who know some enchantment magic.  On the flip side, buying so much magic would really hinder weapons/skills, imho.

Gosh, this was a good question!  It really got me
thinking about what my idea of an Adept and a College
really is.

It really was.  It even got me to decloak and post.  lol 

Tony 

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>It is. I have seen references to the Chaosium "Thieves' World" (Sanctuary) supplement that leads me to believe that they introduced DQ optional rules for allowing adepts to study in two colleges at once. Anybody have a copy of this and can enlighten us? (That's got to be one of the hardest fantasy supplements to find and I love Sanctuary's atmosphere. ~sigh~)

> Needless to say this makes Adepts in TW extremely
> powerful ... which
> reflects the source material, of course. Other
> rules stipulate that you
> must have 15 MA to even attempt to be an Adept, and
> even then you only have
> a 30% chance. (So, you have to design your
> magic-using character on the
> assumption that he won't be using ANY magic!)
>
> Magic is not for the faint-of-heart in this world
> ....

Chello!

 Bruce Probst wrote:

Needless to say this makes Adepts in TW extremely powerful ... which
reflects the source material, of course. 

Yes, it does...thanks for all the groovy info.  I really need to find that book....

Btw, that "living US flag" y'all did Down Under was great.  Thanks.

(And yes, I know that Australia is a continent and you could be thousands of miles away from it... ;) )

Tony

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>But if I recall, TW is also described as low-mana (in
>the supplement itself I mean); this would entail extra
>Fatigue expenditure.

SO this is the DnD Thieves world supplimet that has these conversions? It sounds kind of neat, but want to make sure I am looking for the right one on e-bay.

 Bruce Probst wrote:

On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 05:56:24 -0700 (PDT), William Hough <houghpt@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>But if I recall, TW is also described as low-mana (in
>the supplement itself I mean); this would entail extra
>Fatigue expenditure.

Yes, that's right -- low mana everywhere.

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SO this is the DnD Thieves world supplimet that has these conversions? It sounds kind of neat, but want to make sure I am looking for the right one on e-bay.

 Bruce Probst wrote:

On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 05:56:24 -0700 (PDT), William Hough <houghpt@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>But if I recall, TW is also described as low-mana (in
>the supplement itself I mean); this would entail extra
>Fatigue expenditure.

Yes, that's right -- low mana everywhere.

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No, unfortunately for expedience of buying things I live in the US.

 davis john wrote:

Hmm...strange you should ask for I have one for sale....and very useful too for towney adventures.  Do you live in the UK?

 

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Subject: Re: [dq-rules] Idiot-Savant Assembly Line Wizardry

 

SO this is the DnD Thieves world supplimet that has these conversions? It sounds kind of neat, but want to make sure I am looking for the right one on e-bay.

 Bruce Probst wrote:

On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 05:56:24 -0700 (PDT), William Hough <houghpt@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>But if I recall, TW is also described as low-mana (in
>the supplement itself I mean); this would entail extra
>Fatigue expenditure.

Yes, that's right -- low mana everywhere.

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No, unfortunately for expedience of buying things I live in the US.

 davis john wrote:

Hmm...strange you should ask for I have one for sale....and very useful too for towney adventures.  Do you live in the UK?

 

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Subject: Re: [dq-rules] Idiot-Savant Assembly Line Wizardry

 

SO this is the DnD Thieves world supplimet that has these conversions? It sounds kind of neat, but want to make sure I am looking for the right one on e-bay.

 Bruce Probst wrote:

On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 05:56:24 -0700 (PDT), William Hough <houghpt@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>But if I recall, TW is also described as low-mana (in
>the supplement itself I mean); this would entail extra
>Fatigue expenditure.

Yes, that's right -- low mana everywhere.

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>SO this is the DnD Thieves world supplimet that has these conversions? It sounds kind of neat, but want to make sure I am looking for the right one on e-bay.

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Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [dq-rules] Idiot-Savant Assembly Line Wizardry


> At 07:39 AM 9/12/02, you wrote:
> >Okay, maybe it's because I'm out of work and have a lot of time to
> >think. Or, maybe it's because I've been re-reading some of the Ethshar
> >books by Lawrence Watt-Evans and that got me thinking about how magic
> >should work in a fantasy world. In any case, here's a concept I'd like
> >some opinions on...
> >
> >Is there any reason an enterprising, and very skilled, wizard would not
> >be able to herd together some suckers, er "apprentices", and teach them
> >one or two spells that they learned to cast really well? Then, put said
> >savants into an assembly line enchanting items? What would prevent
> >something like that from happening in DragonQuest? A person could make
> >a killing in the magic weapon business that way....
> >Seriously, though, it occurs to me that the rules point toward setting
> >that up as a possibility. Thoughts?
>
> A good example of this happening, albeit on a smaller scale, happened in
my
> campaign. After 3rd edition came out, one of my players decided he wanted
> to play a shaper. The campaign had been running for quite a while at that
> point, so he came in at about mid-level.

Perhaps this is what went wrong. An instant mid-level shaper? I am a firm
believer that all characters should come in at "as generated" level. Sure a
few brand new characters tossed in with mid-level characters may expire, but
after a while the veteran characters will start protecting the new kid and
he/she will survive. Perhaps if that shaper had to earn the lower levels,
and more importantly spend the character time in doing so, then the outcome
would have been much different. Just a thought.

> After about a year of him playing
> the shaper, I had to ask him to retire the character because he was
pumping
> out so many magic items, it was becoming a joke. Nothing super powerful
[snip]

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Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [dq-rules] Idiot-Savant Assembly Line Wizardry


>
> Most of William Hough's comments on the "Magic Shop
> situation" I thought were very good ones, and can be
> summarized as follows: don't forget that your Shaper
> isn't operating in a vacuum.
>
> I thought I might add a few comments of my own.
> First, the "magic shop principle" wouldn't work for
> the type of campaigns my group runs, which are
> definitely magic low. I think that the nature of the
> DQ system encourages and functions best when the
> amount of magic items are reined in. Having said
> that, I don't necessarily think that you couldn't have
> a DQ world that was magic item intensive. However, it
> would be a very different world that the usual fantasy
> world.
>
> To us, the idea of an assembly line is very natural.
> We live in a post-industrial world. However, it was a
> -highly- revolutionary concept when first introduced.
> I see two possibilities here. One, your campaign
> world has included the idea of an assembly line for
> making magic items for several generation. However,
> the logical extension of that idea is a game world
> currently undergoing its Industrial Revolution with a
> technology based on mana. Two, you have a character
> who "invents" the assembly line process. The
> consequences of that for the character I think were
> nicely explored by Mr. Hough. Most societies react
> badly to revolutionaries of any sort. People fear
> change. Recall the Luddites. Fuedal societies, the
> stock society of the fantasy RPGs, REALLY hate change
> and react VERY badly. Of course, if your Shaper
> survives, he becomes a towering historical figure who
> changed his world forever. :)
>
> This question also got me thinking about the assembly
> line grunts. Let's assume this guy (or gal) has just
> been hired and trained to cast a spell. He probably
> has a low MA (10 would be human average, and judging
> by the non-mages in adventuring parties, more like 5).
> People genetically gifted with high MA's, I feel,
> would either be actively recruited or tend to
> naturally gravitate to become Collegiate Adepts. In
> feudal societies, becoming a wizard is one of the few
> means of upward mobility. Anyway, this already put
> our workman at a severe casting disadvantage Base
> Change-wise. And since he only knows the spell at low
> Rank, he probably has an abyssmal cast chance. This
> means that said workman is going to be backfiring
> relatively frequently. So, I would have to add to the
> cost to train this fellow the continuing cost of
> "medical care" for when he and the rest of the staff
> inevitably curses themselves, backfire results on each
> other, etc. I may be midjudging the magnitude of this
> as a problem, I'd have to really study the magic item
> creation rules again. But it seems to me another
> legitimate issue.
>
> Small point: large population centers are low mana
> areas, and are very bad for crafting items. This
> implies the assembly shop needs to be located quite
> some ways from town. Isolation=vulnerability, and
> shipping expenses just increased.
>
> As a final point, some comments regarding an Adept
> training people in the use of only a couple of spells.
> Whether a GM should allow this depends a lot on his
> interpretation of what it means to belong to a
> College. Adepts loose all knowledge of spells from
> one College when they learn another, and part of being
> an Adept is a mindset that is very particular to that
> College and mutually contradictory to others. I
> -think- that's stated in the books. Having that
> mindset is necessary to casting the spells of the
> College. Any spells. My interpretation then, is that
> the time necessary to become an Adept involves not
> just learning the spells, like you'd memorize an act
> of Hamlet or something, but also learning to think as
> an Adept, becoming thoroughly indoctrinated to the
> philsophy. So, in other words, you can't cast spells
> 'til you learn the mindset, and you learn the mindset
> by learning to cast the GK spells. Thus, my
> interpretation is that learning the General Knowledge
> of a College is an all or nothing proposition. That's
> purely a GM interpretation, however.
>
> Gosh, this was a good question! It really got me
> thinking about what my idea of an Adept and a College
> really is.
>
> Another thought. I would also say that even if I
> allowed non-Adepts to know one or two General Knowlege
> spells, they couldn't learn any Special Knowledge
> spells. That would require knowing all General
> Knowledge first. Flooding the world with items that
> -only- invested GK spells would, I think, definitely
> be less dangerous than if SK items were being mass
> produced.
>
> Damn. That was quite a thought provoker.
>
>
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>It is. I have seen references to the Chaosium "Thieves' World" (Sanctuary)
>supplement that leads me to believe that they introduced DQ optional rules
for >allowing adepts to study in two colleges at once. Anybody have a copy
of this and >can enlighten us? (That's got to be one of the hardest fantasy
supplements to find >and I love Sanctuary's atmosphere. ~sigh~)

I see where Bruce Probst has already answered the question. The 1st edition
DQ section of the Thieves' World supplement was authored by Eric Goldberg,
and the changes, not just the magic changes, were to make the game fit the
world. I have experimented with the opposite, making the world fit DQ. It
is difficult to do, although there is a little more wiggle room with 2nd
edition rules and Archane Wisdom. Some of the later TW characters like
Superman...er... Tempus just don't translate at all unless you NPC the TW
gods and they use Full Geas constantly.

As an aside, Lynn Abbey has published a *new* Thieves' World book (summer
2002), and has begun collecting stories for another anthology run. The new
book is "Sanctuary" and is placed 30 years after the events in the 12th
(last) book in the original anthology run. Other TW related books, like the
later books in the Tempus series, are for the most part not considered
canon.

I Have seen lots of very relavent arguments about how the Sweat shop magic works wouldn't work in the typical campaign, however, I am curious to know if anyone has any ideas about how it could be made to work?

 Sometimes it is just necessary to be silent, and rest in the fact that we are in the arms of God

> I Have seen lots of very relavent arguments about
> how the Sweat shop magic works wouldn't work in the
> typical campaign, however, I am curious to know if
> anyone has any ideas about how it could be made to
> work?

--- In dq-rules@y..., "J. K. Hoffman" <ryumaou@s...> wrote:
> Okay, maybe it's because I'm out of work and have a lot of time to
> think. Or, maybe it's because I've been re-reading some of the
Ethshar
> books by Lawrence Watt-Evans and that got me thinking about how
magic
> should work in a fantasy world. In any case, here's a concept I'd
like
> some opinions on...
>
> Is there any reason an enterprising, and very skilled, wizard would
not
> be able to herd together some suckers, er "apprentices", and teach
them
> one or two spells that they learned to cast really well? Then, put
said
> savants into an assembly line enchanting items? What would prevent
> something like that from happening in DragonQuest? A person could
make
> a killing in the magic weapon business that way....
> Seriously, though, it occurs to me that the rules point toward
setting
> that up as a possibility. Thoughts?
>
> How about seeing that in a fantasy novel? Would you believe it, if
> enough back story supported the theory?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
> --
> "What is impossible today may suddenly become possible tomorrow."
> - Thomas Merton

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:42:12 -0000 jcorey30 <jcorey30@yahoo.com> wrote:

> A lot of people have started DQ sites, only to
> have them languish and
> go out of date.
> Many of the sites are excellent, I am not
> knocking anyone here. I
> have a point, which is this:
> I have a domain name (johncorey.com. original,
> I know) that I have as
> of yet found no use for. I was thinking of
> making a DQ site, but I
> don't want to just "pile on", and make a site
> that covers stuff that
> other sites are doing. In my opinion, the more
> we can centralize
> things, the better.
> Is there some specific use that you think would
> be valuable?
> Posting of Dragon Quest adventures, perhaps?
> Are there any DQ
> services out there that can be moved to this
> space?
> Tell me what you think.
> John
>
>
>
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>On that same general topic, I have just recently been accepted as an editor
>for DragonQuest on DMOZ (dmoz.org) the Open Directory Project. I'm going to
>try to get as complete a directory of current DQ sites together, as well as a
>DQ FAQ, and hopefully that will become the central nexus for current DQ
>information.
>
>To that end, any of you with DQ related sites should contact me with
>descriptions and URLs so that I can index all of this information. I'll
>probably find most sites in the course of my surfing anyhow, but I'll probably
>link you sooner if you send me the info yourself.

I have had some success with Google which now indexes pdfs.

See http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/dq/archive/dqnewsletter/ for an example.

You have to sign up via the Google site.

http://www.google.com/services/free.html

I also believe that you can create catalog or index for you pdf files that others can use, but I have not looked into it that closely

JohnR

-----Original Message-----
From: phaeton_nz@yahoo.co.nz [mailto:phaeton_nz@yahoo.co.nz]
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 3:56 PM
To: dq-rules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [dq-rules] Void in our web presence?

Virtually all of the documents are in PDF format so if anyone knows of a
search engine I can build into the site to make searching easier, it would
be greatly appreciated.

Keith.

> Someone needs to make a site were adventures
> and campaigns can be posted. Such an index
> would be very usefull, and help encorage public
> authoring of DragonQuest material.
>

--- In dq-rules@y..., " Rodger Thorm"<dqn@e...> wrote:
> One of the first things that I've done with DMOZ is adding a
separate category
> of DragonQuest Adventures. There will be links to all known DQ
adventures
> available on the web.
>
> I'm also going to move copies of my own adventures and the others
that I've
> been assisting with onto another site, so that the messing about
with Yahoo
> Groups sign-in isn't a problem anymore.
>
> Rodger
>
> On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Mitchell Harris
> <heneryville@s...> wrote:
>
> > Someone needs to make a site were adventures
> > and campaigns can be posted. Such an index
> > would be very usefull, and help encorage public
> > authoring of DragonQuest material.
> >

> I think there should be some modification of the
> hero
> qualifications for those warrior types with weapon
> skills that can't
> go to rank 8. Giant Axe and battle axe have limits
> of 7, so does
> hand & a half, and broadsword has a limit of 6.
> Any ideas?
>
> I have 6 players in my campaign, and only one of
> them is hero level.
> and he is a spell caster.

>I think there should be some modification of the hero
>qualifications for those warrior types with weapon skills that can't
>go to rank 8. Giant Axe and battle axe have limits of 7, so does
> hand & a half, and broadsword has a limit of 6.
>Any ideas?

--- In dq-rules@y..., Bruce Probst <bprobst@n...> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:21:31 -0000, "jcorey30" <jcorey30@y...>
wrote:
>
> >I think there should be some modification of the hero
> >qualifications for those warrior types with weapon skills that
can't
> >go to rank 8. Giant Axe and battle axe have limits of 7, so does
> > hand & a half, and broadsword has a limit of 6.
> >Any ideas?
>
> Firstly: in my campaign, I removed the Rank limits on weapon
types. The XP
> cost for unlisted values = twice the XP cost of the previous rank.
(This
> means the XP cost goes up quite dramatically for certain weapon
types. I
> can live with this.) Before I did this, certain weapon types were
never
> used because they couldn't advance in Rank high enough; I also
don't like
> the idea that e.g., there's no such thing as a "Master axe-wielder"
or
> whatever.
>
> Secondly: in my campaign, to progress in Rank requires a total XP
cost as
> well as total ranks in stuff. So, to become an Adventurer requires
a total
> XP spent of 15000 in addition to having 8 things at Rank 4; to
become a Hero
> requires a total of 50000 spent. (These numbers may end up being
adjusted
> subject to further playtesting.)
>
> I did this for two reasons: one, so that people who spent XP on non-
Rankable
> stuff (like characteristics) weren't penalised in comparison to
those who
> didn't; two, people who found "cheap" ways to progress (e.g., by
learning
> lots of cheap weapons and skills) weren't given an excessive
advantage in
> comparison to those who chose more "difficult" paths for their
characters.
>
> The first Hero in my campaign was a spellcaster, too; he had high
MA and was
> a Celestial Adept (which has a high number of constantly useful
General
> Knowledge spells with not-very-high XM values). Nevertheless, some
> fighter-types were not far behind him.
>
> I should also note that my campaign gives PCs the possibilities of
Ranks in
> a number of things as part of the character generation process, and
these
> count towards progression; however, since they haven't spent any XP
to get
> those ranks, they don't get to the higher levels any faster.
>
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Chello!

 jcorey30 <jcorey30@yahoo.com> wrote:

thanks to everyone who has replied so far!  it is very helpful.  Here
is what one of my players came up with:
How about you have to have 8 skills/spells/weaps/talents  either at
rank 8 (or higher) or maxed plus have a mimimum total ranks of 64
(8*8) in all skills/spells/weap/talents.

**********

That sounds like it'd work great.  Better than messing around with the weapon ranks. (That's just from the perspectve of changing as little as humanly possible.)

> DragonQuest is my game of choice. But that is not
> to say I have not
> been tempted to stray. and I would play multiple
> games if I had the
> time. One of the games that intrigues me the most
> is GURPS. and I
> will tell you why...
> It has a built in "role-playing" system. When you
> create your
> character, you have can give them advantages,
> disadvantages, quirks,
> and habits. This helps to define someone's
> character. and they
> force players to behave in a certain
> fashoin consistantly. Now, I have never played
> GURPS (but i did play
> Fantasy Trip), so I don't know how this works in
> practice.
> So I am asking two questions...
> 1) what do you think of these kind of reward/penalty
> systems?
> 2) has anyone tried to add one to a DQ campaign.
>
> John
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: William Hough

Sent: 29 October 2002 04:58

To: dq-rules@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [dq-rules] Advantages and disadvantages

 

"

>DragonQuest is my game of choice. But that is not to say I have not
>been tempted to stray. and I would play multiple games if I had the
>time. One of the games that intrigues me the most is GURPS. and I
>will tell you why...
>It has a built in "role-playing" system. When you create your
>character, you have can give them advantages, disadvantages, quirks,
>and habits. This helps to define someone's character. and they
>force players to behave in a certain
>fashoin consistantly. Now, I have never played GURPS (but i did play
>Fantasy Trip), so I don't know how this works in practice.
>So I am asking two questions...
>1) what do you think of these kind of reward/penalty systems?
>2) has anyone tried to add one to a DQ campaign.
>
>John

> DragonQuest is my game of choice. But that is not to say I
> have not been tempted to stray. and I would play multiple
> games if I had the time. One of the games that intrigues me
> the most is GURPS. and I will tell you why...
>
> It has a built in "role-playing" system. When you create your
> character, you have can give them advantages, disadvantages,
> quirks, and habits. This helps to define someone's character.
> and they force players to behave in a certain fashoin
> consistantly. Now, I have never played GURPS (but i did play
> Fantasy Trip), so I don't know how this works in practice. So
> I am asking two questions...
>
> 1) what do you think of these kind of reward/penalty systems?

> 2) has anyone tried to add one to a DQ campaign.

> My big problem with using advantages and
> disadvantages is that it pretty
> much forces everyone to take disadvantages even if
> they don't want
> them. What happens is one (or several) players heap
> on the disadvantages
> and get tons of advantages. They now become way
> more powerful than the
> "average" player. If another player doesn't want to
> take any disadvantages
> they are going to be at a big disadvantage because
> the GM is going to have
> to make encounters tougher for the more powerful
> character. In the end
> pretty much everyone is forced to take at least some
> disadvantages just to
> at least be close to on par with the others in the
> group.