Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3914 |
From: gurglezoid00 |
Date: 9/27/2016 |
Subject: Re: Anyone up for a virtual tabletop campaign of DQ? |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3915 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 9/27/2016 |
Subject: Re: DragonQuest Blog |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3916 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 9/27/2016 |
Subject: Re: DragonQuest Blog |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3917 |
From: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 9/27/2016 |
Subject: New file uploaded to dqn-list |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3918 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 10/2/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Posts - Stealth of Monsters & Investing Spells |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3919 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 10/6/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post - PCs vs. The Average Guy |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3920 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 10/9/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post - Healing in DQ |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3921 |
From: Martin Gallo |
Date: 10/9/2016 |
Subject: Re: New Blog Post - Healing in DQ |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3922 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 10/9/2016 |
Subject: Re: New Blog Post - Healing in DQ |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3923 |
From: Martin Gallo |
Date: 10/10/2016 |
Subject: Re: New Blog Post - Healing in DQ |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3924 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 10/10/2016 |
Subject: Re: New Blog Post - Healing in DQ |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3925 |
From: arielifan |
Date: 10/10/2016 |
Subject: Re: New Blog Post - Healing in DQ |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3926 |
From: Martin Gallo |
Date: 10/10/2016 |
Subject: Re: New Blog Post - Healing in DQ |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3927 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 10/10/2016 |
Subject: Re: New Blog Post - Healing in DQ |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3928 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 10/14/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post: Economics in DQ |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3929 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 10/19/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post: Extending Max Weapon Ranks to 10 |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3930 |
From: David Novak |
Date: 10/20/2016 |
Subject: Re: New Blog Post: Extending Max Weapon Ranks to 10 |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3931 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 10/20/2016 |
Subject: Re: New Blog Post: Extending Max Weapon Ranks to 10 |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3932 |
From: Martin Gallo |
Date: 10/20/2016 |
Subject: Re: New Blog Post: Extending Max Weapon Ranks to 10 |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3933 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 10/22/2016 |
Subject: Jumping |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3934 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 10/22/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post: Undead in DQ |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3935 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 10/22/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post: Magic College Spreadsheets for Adepts |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3936 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 10/25/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post: A look at character progression |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3937 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 10/28/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post: Random Magic Potion Table |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3938 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 10/30/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post: Magic Resistance in DQ |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3939 |
From: Martin Gallo |
Date: 10/30/2016 |
Subject: Re: New Blog Post: Magic Resistance in DQ |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3940 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 10/31/2016 |
Subject: Re: New Blog Post: Magic Resistance in DQ |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3941 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 11/2/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post: Using Herbs in DragonQuest |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3942 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 11/2/2016 |
Subject: Re: New Blog Post: Using Herbs in DragonQuest |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3943 |
From: Jeffrey Vandine |
Date: 11/2/2016 |
Subject: Re: New Blog Post: Using Herbs in DragonQuest |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3944 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 11/3/2016 |
Subject: Re: New Blog Post: Using Herbs in DragonQuest |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3945 |
From: Daniel Robinson |
Date: 11/4/2016 |
Subject: Investment ritual and 'double-dipping' |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3946 |
From: Howard Teal |
Date: 11/4/2016 |
Subject: Re: Investment ritual and 'double-dipping' |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3947 |
From: Jeffrey Vandine |
Date: 11/4/2016 |
Subject: Re: Investment ritual and 'double-dipping' |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3948 |
From: arielifan |
Date: 11/4/2016 |
Subject: Re: Investment ritual and 'double-dipping' |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3949 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 11/7/2016 |
Subject: Re: Investment ritual and 'double-dipping' |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3950 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 11/7/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post: Magic Weapons and Monsters |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3951 |
From: gruundehn |
Date: 11/7/2016 |
Subject: Skills |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3952 |
From: arielifan |
Date: 11/7/2016 |
Subject: Re: Skills |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3953 |
From: Christopher Cole |
Date: 11/8/2016 |
Subject: Re: Skills |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3954 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 11/9/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post: Three Variant Magic Colleges |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3955 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 11/14/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post: Characteristics in DQ |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3956 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 11/18/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post: Special Damage Chart |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3957 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 11/25/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post: AoE and Wall Spells in DQ |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3958 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 12/1/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post: Review of Thaumaturgies Colleges |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3959 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 12/2/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post: Review of Elemental Colleges |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3960 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 12/5/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post: The Entities Colleges of DQ |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3961 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 12/9/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post: The Arcane Wisdom Colleges of DragonQuest |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3962 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 12/12/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post: Shape-changers and the Moon |
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Group: dqn-list |
Message: 3963 |
From: darkislephil |
Date: 12/17/2016 |
Subject: New Blog Post: Gnome & Half-Ogre PC races |
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Hmm. Just off the top of my head, I'd say no.
It seems from the plain language that the investor's condition at the time of the actual casting was important, but the spell itself wouldn't receive any extra advantages from the conditions under which it was finally released. I get that from the part of the bolded text below which says "as he was when he originally invested the object." To me that clearly indicates that the conditions at the moment of investment are what dictates the modifiers to be used. That is reinforced, in my mind, by the last part of the sentence; "when it was originally stored in the object."
I'm not set in stone on this, but it certainly seems to be the intention from the way the rule is written. As a side note, my experience with SPI rules (at least with the original crew, back in the day) was that they were pretty careful to note special conditions (such as being able to "double dip" in the way you describe) that you were allowed to use, and if it wasn't specifically permitted in the rules, it wasn't supposed to be done that way.
Of course, I could be wrong. You could always consider asking Greg Costikyan the question on his blog...
From: "Daniel Robinson origamiman88@yahoo.com [dqn-list]" <dqn-list@yahoogroups.com> To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 4, 2016 10:59 AM Subject: [DQN-list] Investment ritual and 'double-dipping'
I have a question about the Investment Ritual and spell modifiers. From the book:
"Whenever a spell is released from an object
in which it was invested, the spell is treated
as if it was being cast by the character who
originally stored it in the object. It always
emanates from the spot occupied by the object,
but is treated in all other ways as if cast by that
character as he was when he originally invested
the object with the spell power (i.e., the spell
would be ranked as it was when originally stored
in the object)."
I bolded the part in question. To me, this means that the investor of the spell is subject to modifiers like, a Celestial Dark Mage who performed the ritual in total darkness would get the modifier applied to the successful cast chance of the ritual, plus, since he was in total darkness at the time, when the spell is loosed some time late through the invested item, the same darkness modifier would apply. So, what if the caster of the invested item is a Dark Mage, also in total darkness. Would he then get that modifier on top of the other one? To me, there are two distinct periods of time:
1) modifiers active at the time of investment 2) modifiers that are active at the time of casting the spell, using the invested item.
Can you essentially 'double-dip' on modifiers in this way?
Thanks
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I agree with Jeffrey and Howard's interpretation, and they wrote it out better than I came up with, so I didn't send it.
~Jeffery~
From: "Jeffrey Vandine jlv61560@yahoo.com [dqn-list]" <dqn-list@yahoogroups.com> To: "dqn-list" <dqn-list@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, November 4, 2016 4:02:50 PM Subject: Re: [DQN-list] Investment ritual and 'double-dipping'
Hmm. Just off the top of my head, I'd say no.
It seems from the plain language that the investor's condition at the time of the actual casting was important, but the spell itself wouldn't receive any extra advantages from the conditions under which it was finally released. I get that from the part of the bolded text below which says "as he was when he originally invested the object." To me that clearly indicates that the conditions at the moment of investment are what dictates the modifiers to be used. That is reinforced, in my mind, by the last part of the sentence; "when it was originally stored in the object."
I'm not set in stone on this, but it certainly seems to be the intention from the way the rule is written. As a side note, my experience with SPI rules (at least with the original crew, back in the day) was that they were pretty careful to note special conditions (such as being able to "double dip" in the way you describe) that you were allowed to use, and if it wasn't specifically permitted in the rules, it wasn't supposed to be done that way.
Of course, I could be wrong. You could always consider asking Greg Costikyan the question on his blog...
From: "Daniel Robinson origamiman88@yahoo.com [dqn-list]" <dqn-list@yahoogroups.com> To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 4, 2016 10:59 AM Subject: [DQN-list] Investment ritual and 'double-dipping'
I have a question about the Investment Ritual and spell modifiers. From the book:
"Whenever a spell is released from an object in which it was invested, the spell is treated as if it was being cast by the character who originally stored it in the object. It always emanates from the spot occupied by the object, but is treated in all other ways as if cast by that character as he was when he originally invested the object with the spell power (i.e., the spell would be ranked as it was when originally stored in the object)."
I bolded the part in question. To me, this means that the investor of the spell is subject to modifiers like, a Celestial Dark Mage who performed the ritual in total darkness would get the modifier applied to the successful cast chance of the ritual, plus, since he was in total darkness at the time, when the spell is loosed some time late through the invested item, the same darkness modifier would apply. So, what if the caster of the invested item is a Dark Mage, also in total darkness. Would he then get that modifier on top of the other one? To me, there are two distinct periods of time:
1) modifiers active at the time of investment 2) modifiers that are active at the time of casting the spell, using the invested item.
Can you essentially 'double-dip' on modifiers in this way?
Thanks
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