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Group: dqn-list Message: 3107 From: John Rauchert Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: OCR?
Group: dqn-list Message: 3108 From: GBerman@aol.com Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Enchanted Wood and 1st editions updated for 2nd edition
Group: dqn-list Message: 3109 From: GBerman@aol.com Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: (no subject)
Group: dqn-list Message: 3110 From: Greg Walters Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: time to kill for programming..
Group: dqn-list Message: 3111 From: trumpetmmb Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Unusual uses of Magic By Players
Group: dqn-list Message: 3112 From: GBerman@aol.com Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual uses of Magic By Players
Group: dqn-list Message: 3113 From: Ran Hardin Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual uses of Magic By Players
Group: dqn-list Message: 3114 From: John Rauchert Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: 2nd Edition DragonQuest Book For Sale
Group: dqn-list Message: 3115 From: GBerman@aol.com Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Differences
Group: dqn-list Message: 3116 From: Lev Lafayette Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Differences
Group: dqn-list Message: 3117 From: gruundehn Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Differences
Group: dqn-list Message: 3118 From: GBerman@aol.com Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Differences
Group: dqn-list Message: 3119 From: John Rauchert Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Differences
Group: dqn-list Message: 3120 From: Gabriel Martinez Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Differences
Group: dqn-list Message: 3121 From: Lev Lafayette Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Differences
Group: dqn-list Message: 3122 From: GBerman@aol.com Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Differences/Arena of Death
Group: dqn-list Message: 3123 From: John Rauchert Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Differences/Arena of Death
Group: dqn-list Message: 3124 From: GBerman@aol.com Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Differences/Arena of Death
Group: dqn-list Message: 3125 From: Gabriel Martinez Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Differences/Arena of Death
Group: dqn-list Message: 3126 From: Gabriel Martinez Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Differences
Group: dqn-list Message: 3127 From: HR Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: DQ on eBay
Group: dqn-list Message: 3128 From: Gabriel Martinez Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: DQ on eBay
Group: dqn-list Message: 3129 From: gruundehn Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Initiative
Group: dqn-list Message: 3130 From: Mornak Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Initiative
Group: dqn-list Message: 3131 From: co_d16 Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Unarmed Combat
Group: dqn-list Message: 3132 From: Mandos Mitchinson Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
Group: dqn-list Message: 3133 From: co_d16 Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
Group: dqn-list Message: 3134 From: co_d16 Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Dragons and weapon skills
Group: dqn-list Message: 3135 From: Jeffery K. McGonagill Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Dragons and weapon skills
Group: dqn-list Message: 3136 From: Jason Winter Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
Group: dqn-list Message: 3137 From: Lev Lafayette Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
Group: dqn-list Message: 3138 From: co_d16 Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
Group: dqn-list Message: 3139 From: GBerman@aol.com Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Missing pages/playtest material
Group: dqn-list Message: 3140 From: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to dqn-list
Group: dqn-list Message: 3141 From: co_d16 Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Magic Record Sheets
Group: dqn-list Message: 3142 From: Mandos Mitchinson Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
Group: dqn-list Message: 3143 From: darkislephil Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Missing pages/playtest material
Group: dqn-list Message: 3144 From: Edi Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
Group: dqn-list Message: 3145 From: GBerman@aol.com Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Missing pages/playtest material
Group: dqn-list Message: 3146 From: cody mills Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
Group: dqn-list Message: 3147 From: igmod@comcast.net Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
Group: dqn-list Message: 3148 From: cody mills Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
Group: dqn-list Message: 3149 From: Jeffery K. McGonagill Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
Group: dqn-list Message: 3150 From: Mandos Mitchinson Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
Group: dqn-list Message: 3151 From: Anthony N. Emmel Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: DQ on eBay
Group: dqn-list Message: 3152 From: GBerman@aol.com Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Giant Spearthrower
Group: dqn-list Message: 3153 From: co_d16 Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: PC's
Group: dqn-list Message: 3154 From: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: New file uploaded to dqn-list
Group: dqn-list Message: 3155 From: Mandos Mitchinson Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: PC's
Group: dqn-list Message: 3156 From: Keith Smith Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: PC's


Group: dqn-list Message: 3107 From: John Rauchert Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: OCR?
The PDF of Frontiers of Alusia can be found here:

http://www.portalkeepersofgrayrock.com/Alusia/Alusiamap.htm

To my knowledge there are no online versions of the Judges Guild
material.

John F. Rauchert, Co-moderator DQN-List


--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, "dreris" <GBerman@...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone OCR'd the Frontiers of aluisa and the judges guild
modules?
>
> I've just bought them and want to combine the data they provide with
F
> of A to expand the area information.
>
Group: dqn-list Message: 3108 From: GBerman@aol.com Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Enchanted Wood and 1st editions updated for 2nd edition
Hi all,

I know this is almost a laughable question, but does anyone have an enchanted wood for sale? It seems to be the toughest to find.

Also, my next project is I'm all of the removed weapons from 1st edition to second edition. As you know stats and XP changed for a lot of weapons. So I'm going to plot all the changes and use them for extrapolations of the differences. As an example the Knife gets a bit of an upgrade in Base Chance to hit in 2nd edition. I'll keep people updated.

Also farther down the road I'm working on a powers of light article. Based of course on official material. I like extrapolation can you all tell ;-)
Group: dqn-list Message: 3109 From: GBerman@aol.com Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: (no subject)
Hey everyone,

Since the high forest in forgotten realms is a bastard child of the enchanted wood. Is there anyone who is FR loremaster that can tell us besides the stuff grabbed from EW, how has the HF been developed, and which modules, and books is it detailed in (besides savage frontier and the north)

Thanks in adance
Group: dqn-list Message: 3110 From: Greg Walters Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: time to kill for programming..
greetings, all.

it has been, perhaps, a few years since if posted anything.

i have been playing Neverwinter Nights, on line. it is as good a mmo
that i know of (that is free).

where i am working, now, i have hours and hours to spend, so im
putting time into reprogramming the NeverWinter Nights game into DQ..
lol

it is a ludicrously monumental task - i am not realy any sort of
programmer - it has been years since i did anything that may be of
signigicance.

anyhow, i downloaded various resources.. scripting stuff, etc.

tho i did shudder at the thought of even mentioning this, i thought,
maybe, my attempt (likely to be futile) might inspire some/one of you
who are ~real~ programmers.

i would guestimate that in a week or so, ill be able to figure out if
i should just give up and do something else.

thoughts?

- Greg W.
Group: dqn-list Message: 3111 From: trumpetmmb Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Unusual uses of Magic By Players
Friday night I strung together a series of magics that created a
strategy that surprised the GM. He then suggested I post the
strategy here as an interesting use of player tactics. I figured
that there might be other players here that have created similarily
interesting/unique solutions.
-------------------------------------
Skin Change and Animal Growth

Using a Skin Change on a player to become say a Chimera or a
Elephant, then casting Animal Growth on said transformed player
(being a double size Chimera or the triple effected and thus six
times sized Elephant sure does change a combat situation, and it's
really fun playing said transformation).

Rag and String Golems wearing Skin Changes

Since Rag and String Golems are loyal and smart, but rather weak, I
started placing Skin Changes on them. Thus I have a Doppelganger
and a Wyvern.

David
Group: dqn-list Message: 3112 From: GBerman@aol.com Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual uses of Magic By Players
Sounds very cool as tactics go.

Haven't got a useful tactics but certainly always look for them.

Glad to hear someone is playing in a DQ game. I'm just reading for the moment.


-----Original Message-----
From: trumpetmmb <david_novak@hp.com>
To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:08 pm
Subject: [DQN-list] Unusual uses of Magic By Players

Friday night I strung together a series of magics that created a 
strategy that surprised the GM.  He then suggested I post the 
strategy here as an interesting use of player tactics.  I figured 
that there might be other players here that have created similarily 
interesting/unique solutions.
-------------------------------------
Skin Change and Animal Growth

Using a Skin Change on a player to become say a Chimera or a 
Elephant, then casting Animal Growth on said transformed player 
(being a double size Chimera or the triple effected and thus six 
times sized Elephant sure does change a combat situation, and it's 
really fun playing said transformation).

Rag and String Golems wearing Skin Changes

Since Rag and String Golems are loyal and smart, but rather weak, I 
started placing Skin Changes on them.  Thus I have a Doppelganger 
and a Wyvern.

David




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Group: dqn-list Message: 3113 From: Ran Hardin Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Unusual uses of Magic By Players
From my days in high school playing DQ:

A Death-Aspected Adept manufactured mouse-pelt rings with Skin
Change. After getting a dupe to put on a ring, he scooped up the
now-mouse-person and popped it in a bag. Then, right before combat,
he'd yank one out and kill it. Instant bonus!


--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, "trumpetmmb" <david_novak@...>
wrote:
>
> Friday night I strung together a series of magics that created a
> strategy that surprised the GM. He then suggested I post the
> strategy here as an interesting use of player tactics. I figured
> that there might be other players here that have created
similarily
> interesting/unique solutions.
> -------------------------------------
> Skin Change and Animal Growth
>
> Using a Skin Change on a player to become say a Chimera or a
> Elephant, then casting Animal Growth on said transformed player
> (being a double size Chimera or the triple effected and thus six
> times sized Elephant sure does change a combat situation, and it's
> really fun playing said transformation).
>
> Rag and String Golems wearing Skin Changes
>
> Since Rag and String Golems are loyal and smart, but rather weak,
I
> started placing Skin Changes on them. Thus I have a Doppelganger
> and a Wyvern.
>
> David
>
Group: dqn-list Message: 3114 From: John Rauchert Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: 2nd Edition DragonQuest Book For Sale
I have received an email from a person that has a copy of the Second
Edition Bantam DragonQuest Book for sale.

Copyright 1981 by SPI; Bantam Books, September 1982, ISBN 0-553-
01432-3; softback, 156 pages.

The cover is in fair condition, the rest of the book is in excellent
condition.

Cover: http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/dq/cover.jpg

The starting price is: $40.00 USD (not including shipping)

Offers at the starting price or above will be accepted until March
26, 2008.

If you are interested in this item please respond directly to:
amyjsweet@gmail.com

John F. Rauchert, Co-Moderator DQN-List
Group: dqn-list Message: 3115 From: GBerman@aol.com Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Differences
Hey there,

Is there anyone that has the 2nd Edition boxed set, that can tell me are there any differences between that and the randome house 2nd ed?
Group: dqn-list Message: 3116 From: Lev Lafayette Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Differences
Love to help, but I sold my copy to a local gaming
club in the early 1990s who still have it.. 'cept it's
about three day's drive away!

I don't *recall* any differences. Although the
inclusion of the GMs screen certainly made running DQ
a *lot* easier!

--- GBerman@aol.com wrote:

> Hey there,
>
> Is there anyone that has the 2nd Edition boxed set,
> that can tell me are there any differences between
> that and the randome house 2nd ed?
>



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Group: dqn-list Message: 3117 From: gruundehn Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Differences
The only difference I can remember, it was mentioned in a much earlier
post either here or DQ Rules, is that the Perception was increased from
5 to 8. I think there might have been one other change but I haven't
gone back through the posts to find the specific one. I have the Bantam
2nd Ed, I never saw the boxed one.

Chris Cole
The World's Tallest Dwarf



--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, GBerman@... wrote:
>
> Hey there,
>
> Is there anyone that has the 2nd Edition boxed set, that can tell me
are there any differences between that and the randome house 2nd ed?
>
Group: dqn-list Message: 3118 From: GBerman@aol.com Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Differences
Well for completeness, I guess I'll just have to buy the 2nd ed boxed set as well ;-) Darn <snapping fingers>


-----Original Message-----
From: gruundehn <gruundehn@yahoo.com>
To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 4:42 pm
Subject: [DQN-list] Re: Differences

The only difference I can remember, it was mentioned in a much earlier 
post either here or DQ Rules, is that the Perception was increased from 
5 to 8. I think there might have been one other change but I haven't 
gone back through the posts to find the specific one. I have the Bantam 
2nd Ed, I never saw the boxed one.

Chris Cole
The World's Tallest Dwarf




 --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, GBerman@... wrote:
>
> Hey there,
> 
> Is there anyone that has the 2nd Edition boxed set, that can tell me 
are there any differences between that and the randome house 2nd ed?
>



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Group: dqn-list Message: 3119 From: John Rauchert Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Differences
 
Title: DragonQuest Second Edition Master Set
Item Code: 3860
Copyright: 1980 by Simulations Publications, Inc., 2nd edition 1981
Author(s): Eric Goldberg, Gerald C. Klug, David James Ritchie, Edward J. Woods, and Redmond A. Simonsen
Artwork: Jim Sherman and John Garcia
Place of Publication: New York, New York, United States
Format: boxed set containing one three-hole punched softcover rulesbook, one gamemaster's screen, one DragonQuest adventure, one pamphlet, one feedback questionaire, one coversheet, and two d20s, bagged

Essentially these Rules were the same as the White Hardbound 2nd Edition rules ((as opposed to the Softcover Bantam Edition).
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:56 PM
Subject: [DQN-list] Differences

Hey there,

Is there anyone that has the 2nd Edition boxed set, that can tell me are there any differences between that and the randome house 2nd ed?

.
Group: dqn-list Message: 3120 From: Gabriel Martinez Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Differences
Attachments :
    Sorry, I have 1st. Boxed Edition, 2nd HardCover, 2nd Bantan Ed. and 3rd TSR; And there is many diferencies.

    There is a doc going around marking diference betweeneach one. Maybe Eric, Snafaru or Martin know there is it.

    Regards.

    Gabriel.


    ________________________________

    De: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com en nombre de GBerman@aol.com
    Enviado el: jue 20/03/2008 17:47
    Para: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
    Asunto: Re: [DQN-list] Re: Differences



    Well for completeness, I guess I'll just have to buy the 2nd ed boxed set as well ;-) Darn <snapping fingers>


    -----Original Message-----
    From: gruundehn <gruundehn@yahoo.com>
    To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 4:42 pm
    Subject: [DQN-list] Re: Differences


    The only difference I can remember, it was mentioned in a much earlier
    post either here or DQ Rules, is that the Perception was increased from
    5 to 8. I think there might have been one other change but I haven't
    gone back through the posts to find the specific one. I have the Bantam
    2nd Ed, I never saw the boxed one.

    Chris Cole
    The World's Tallest Dwarf



    --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com> , GBerman@... wrote:
    >
    > Hey there,
    >
    > Is there anyone that has the 2nd Edition boxed set, that can tell me
    are there any differences between that and the randome house 2nd ed?
    >



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    Group: dqn-list Message: 3121 From: Lev Lafayette Date: 3/21/2008
    Subject: Re: Differences
    Hey, you have the same as I have! ;-)

    (Well, I've ended up with 2 copies of 1st edition, but
    them's the breaks)

    Do you mean something like this?

    http://www.iosphere.net/~eric/dq/dq2vs3.htm

    All the best,


    Lev

    --- Gabriel Martinez <gmartinez@ambiente.gov.ar>
    wrote:

    > Sorry, I have 1st. Boxed Edition, 2nd HardCover, 2nd
    > Bantan Ed. and 3rd TSR; And there is many
    > diferencies.
    >
    > There is a doc going around marking diference
    > betweeneach one. Maybe Eric, Snafaru or Martin know
    > there is it.
    >
    > Regards.
    >
    > Gabriel.
    >
    >
    > ________________________________
    >
    > De: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com en nombre de
    > GBerman@aol.com
    > Enviado el: jue 20/03/2008 17:47
    > Para: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
    > Asunto: Re: [DQN-list] Re: Differences
    >
    >
    >
    > Well for completeness, I guess I'll just have to buy
    > the 2nd ed boxed set as well ;-) Darn <snapping
    > fingers>
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: gruundehn <gruundehn@yahoo.com>
    > To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 4:42 pm
    > Subject: [DQN-list] Re: Differences
    >
    >
    > The only difference I can remember, it was mentioned
    > in a much earlier
    > post either here or DQ Rules, is that the Perception
    > was increased from
    > 5 to 8. I think there might have been one other
    > change but I haven't
    > gone back through the posts to find the specific
    > one. I have the Bantam
    > 2nd Ed, I never saw the boxed one.
    >
    > Chris Cole
    > The World's Tallest Dwarf
    >
    >
    >
    > --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
    > <mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com> , GBerman@...
    > wrote:
    > >
    > > Hey there,
    > >
    > > Is there anyone that has the 2nd Edition boxed
    > set, that can tell me
    > are there any differences between that and the
    > randome house 2nd ed?
    > >
    >
    >
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    Group: dqn-list Message: 3122 From: GBerman@aol.com Date: 3/21/2008
    Subject: Re: Differences/Arena of Death
    I have a similar set.

    I have 1st edition (I'm extrapolating the changes to update all of the 1st ed weapons that were taken out, to 2nd edition. There are differences that need to be made to update, I'm finding.)

    2nd ed Bantam softcover (with 3 holes so it must have come from the 2nd ed boxed set originally I guess)

    and a 3ed on it's way.

    Hey another question I know eye of the goblin is set in DQ game world (by extrapolation of course) Is there any backstory which says which city has the arena of death or new weapons in that DQ game?

    Also does anyone have all 3 editions of the second edition rules? (Hardbound, Boxed Set, and Softcover) I'd be interested if there were any diffenreces in the hardback or if the cover was the only thing. It sounds like all three 2nd editions were the exact same.



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Lev Lafayette <lev_lafayette@yahoo.com.au>
    To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 7:06 am
    Subject: RE: [DQN-list] Re: Differences

    
Hey, you have the same as I have! ;-)

(Well, I've ended up with 2 copies of 1st edition, but
them's the breaks)

Do you mean something like this?

http://www.iosphere.net/~eric/dq/dq2vs3.htm

All the best,


Lev

--- Gabriel Martinez <gmartinez@ambiente.gov.ar>
wrote:

> Sorry, I have 1st. Boxed Edition, 2nd HardCover, 2nd
> Bantan Ed. and 3rd TSR; And there is many
> diferencies.
>  
> There is a doc going around marking diference
> betweeneach one. Maybe Eric, Snafaru or Martin know
> there is it.
>  
> Regards.
>  
> Gabriel.
>  
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> De: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com en nombre de
> GBerman@aol.com
> Enviado el: jue 20/03/2008 17:47
> Para: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
> Asunto: Re: [DQN-list] Re: Differences
> 
> 
> 
> Well for completeness, I guess I'll just have to buy
> the 2nd ed boxed set as well ;-) Darn <snapping
> fingers>
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gruundehn <gruundehn@yahoo.com>
> To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 4:42 pm
> Subject: [DQN-list] Re: Differences
> 
> 
> The only difference I can remember, it was mentioned
> in a much earlier 
> post either here or DQ Rules, is that the Perception
> was increased from 
> 5 to 8. I think there might have been one other
> change but I haven't 
> gone back through the posts to find the specific
> one. I have the Bantam 
> 2nd Ed, I never saw the boxed one.
> 
> Chris Cole
> The World's Tallest Dwarf
> 
> 
> 
> --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com> , GBerman@...
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey there,
> > 
> > Is there anyone that has the 2nd Edition boxed
> set, that can tell me 
> are there any differences between that and the
> randome house 2nd ed?
> >
> 
> 
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    Group: dqn-list Message: 3123 From: John Rauchert Date: 3/21/2008
    Subject: Re: Differences/Arena of Death
    As has been noted before, there were some minor differences between (like a change in the base Perception from 5 to 8) the Bantam Edition and the Hard Bound Edition. I can't speak to the boxed 2nd edition.
     
    JohnR
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:50 AM
    Subject: Re: [DQN-list] Re: Differences/Arena of Death

    I have a similar set.

    I have 1st edition (I'm extrapolating the changes to update all of the 1st ed weapons that were taken out, to 2nd edition. There are differences that need to be made to update, I'm finding.)

    2nd ed Bantam softcover (with 3 holes so it must have come from the 2nd ed boxed set originally I guess)

    and a 3ed on it's way.

    Hey another question I know eye of the goblin is set in DQ game world (by extrapolation of course) Is there any backstory which says which city has the arena of death or new weapons in that DQ game?

    Also does anyone have all 3 editions of the second edition rules? (Hardbound, Boxed Set, and Softcover) I'd be interested if there were any diffenreces in the hardback or if the cover was the only thing. It sounds like all three 2nd editions were the exact same.




    -----Original Message-----
    From: Lev Lafayette <lev_lafayette@ yahoo.com. au>
    To: dqn-list@yahoogroup s.com
    Sent: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 7:06 am
    Subject: RE: [DQN-list] Re: Differences

    
Hey, you have the same as I have! ;-)

(Well, I've ended up with 2 copies of 1st edition, but
them's the breaks)

Do you mean something like this?

http://www.iosphere .net/~eric/ dq/dq2vs3. htm

All the best,


Lev

--- Gabriel Martinez <gmartinez@ambiente. gov.ar>
wrote:

> Sorry, I have 1st. Boxed Edition, 2nd HardCover, 2nd
> Bantan Ed. and 3rd TSR; And there is many
> diferencies.
>  
> There is a doc going around marking diference
> betweeneach one. Maybe Eric, Snafaru or Martin know
> there is it.
>  
> Regards.
>  
> Gabriel.
>  
> 
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> 
> De: dqn-list@yahoogroup s.com en nombre de
> GBerman@aol. com
> Enviado el: jue 20/03/2008 17:47
> Para: dqn-list@yahoogroup s.com
> Asunto: Re: [DQN-list] Re: Differences
> 
> 
> 
> Well for completeness, I guess I'll just have to buy
> the 2nd ed boxed set as well ;-) Darn <snapping
> fingers>
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gruundehn <gruundehn@yahoo. com>
> To: dqn-list@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 4:42 pm
> Subject: [DQN-list] Re: Differences
> 
> 
> The only difference I can remember, it was mentioned
> in a much earlier 
> post either here or DQ Rules, is that the Perception
> was increased from 
> 5 to 8. I think there might have been one other
> change but I haven't 
> gone back through the posts to find the specific
> one. I have the Bantam 
> 2nd Ed, I never saw the boxed one.
> 
> Chris Cole
> The World's Tallest Dwarf
> 
> 
> 
> --- In dqn-list@yahoogroup s.com
> <mailto:dqn-list@ yahoogroups. com> , GBerman@...
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey there,
> > 
> > Is there anyone that has the 2nd Edition boxed
> set, that can tell me 
> are there any differences between that and the
> randome house 2nd ed?
> >
> 
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    Group: dqn-list Message: 3124 From: GBerman@aol.com Date: 3/21/2008
    Subject: Re: Differences/Arena of Death
    Oh no, the collector in me now has to have all :-) Oh well I was probably going to do that anyway.


    -----Original Message-----
    From: John Rauchert <jfrauchert@shaw.ca>
    To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:03 pm
    Subject: Re: [DQN-list] Re: Differences/Arena of Death

    As has been noted before, there were some minor differences between (like a change in the base Perception from 5 to 8) the Bantam Edition and the Hard Bound Edition. I can't speak to the boxed 2nd edition.
     
    JohnR
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:50 AM
    Subject: Re: [DQN-list] Re: Differences/Arena of Death

    I have a similar set.

    I have 1st edition (I'm extrapolating the changes to update all of the 1st ed weapons that were taken out, to 2nd edition. There are differences that need to be made to update, I'm finding.)

    2nd ed Bantam softcover (with 3 holes so it must have come from the 2nd ed boxed set originally I guess)

    and a 3ed on it's way.

    Hey another question I know eye of the goblin is set in DQ game world (by extrapolation of course) Is there any backstory which says which city has the arena of death or new weapons in that DQ game?

    Also does anyone have all 3 editions of the second edition rules? (Hardbound, Boxed Set, and Softcover) I'd be interested if there were any diffenreces in the hardback or if the cover was the only thing. It sounds like all three 2nd editions were the exact same.



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Lev Lafayette <lev_lafayette@ yahoo.com. au>
    To: dqn-list@yahoogroup s.com
    Sent: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 7:06 am
    Subject: RE: [DQN-list] Re: Differences

    
Hey, you have the same as I have! ;-)

(Well, I've ended up with 2 copies of 1st edition, but
them's the breaks)

Do you mean something like this?

http://www.iosphere .net/~eric/ dq/dq2vs3. htm

All the best,


Lev

--- Gabriel Martinez <gmartinez@ambiente. gov.ar>
wrote:

> Sorry, I have 1st. Boxed Edition, 2nd HardCover, 2nd
> Bantan Ed. and 3rd TSR; And there is many
> diferencies.
>  
> There is a doc going around marking diference
> betweeneach one. Maybe Eric, Snafaru or Martin know
> there is it.
>  
> Regards.
>  
> Gabriel.
>  
> 
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> 
> De: dqn-list@yahoogroup s.com en nombre de
> GBerman@aol. com
> Enviado el: jue 20/03/2008 17:47
> Para: dqn-list@yahoogroup s.com
> Asunto: Re: [DQN-list] Re: Differences
> 
> 
> 
> Well for completeness, I guess I'll just have to buy
> the 2nd ed boxed set as well ;-) Darn <snapping
> fingers>
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gruundehn <gruundehn@yahoo. com>
> To: dqn-list@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 4:42 pm
> Subject: [DQN-list] Re: Differences
> 
> 
> The only difference I can remember, it was mentioned
> in a much earlier 
> post either here or DQ Rules, is that the Perception
> was increased from 
> 5 to 8. I think there might have been one other
> change but I haven't 
> gone back through the posts to find the specific
> one. I have the Bantam 
> 2nd Ed, I never saw the boxed one.
> 
> Chris Cole
> The World's Tallest Dwarf
> 
> 
> 
> --- In dqn-list@yahoogroup s.com
> <mailto:dqn-list@ yahoogroups. com> , GBerman@...
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey there,
> > 
> > Is there anyone that has the 2nd Edition boxed
> set, that can tell me 
> are there any differences between that and the
> randome house 2nd ed?
> >
> 
> 
> 
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    Group: dqn-list Message: 3125 From: Gabriel Martinez Date: 3/21/2008
    Subject: Re: Differences/Arena of Death
    Attachments :
      The collector in my said "let's go". Ebay give you the chance (like gave me in the past) to get all the DQ matherial printed ever .

      But I suposed it is not a gameability problem. It is just a collector problem. I'm right?

      From a collector to many others.

      Gabriel.

      ________________________________

      De: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com en nombre de GBerman@aol.com
      Enviado el: vie 21/03/2008 13:32
      Para: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
      Asunto: Re: [DQN-list] Re: Differences/Arena of Death



      Oh no, the collector in me now has to have all :-) Oh well I was probably going to do that anyway.


      -----Original Message-----
      From: John Rauchert <jfrauchert@shaw.ca>
      To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:03 pm
      Subject: Re: [DQN-list] Re: Differences/Arena of Death


      As has been noted before, there were some minor differences between (like a change in the base Perception from 5 to 8) the Bantam Edition and the Hard Bound Edition. I can't speak to the boxed 2nd edition.

      JohnR


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: GBerman@aol.com <mailto:GBerman@aol.com>
      To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:50 AM
      Subject: Re: [DQN-list] Re: Differences/Arena of Death

      I have a similar set.

      I have 1st edition (I'm extrapolating the changes to update all of the 1st ed weapons that were taken out, to 2nd edition. There are differences that need to be made to update, I'm finding.)

      2nd ed Bantam softcover (with 3 holes so it must have come from the 2nd ed boxed set originally I guess)

      and a 3ed on it's way.

      Hey another question I know eye of the goblin is set in DQ game world (by extrapolation of course) Is there any backstory which says which city has the arena of death or new weapons in that DQ game?

      Also does anyone have all 3 editions of the second edition rules? (Hardbound, Boxed Set, and Softcover) I'd be interested if there were any diffenreces in the hardback or if the cover was the only thing. It sounds like all three 2nd editions were the exact same.







      -----Original Message-----
      From: Lev Lafayette <lev_lafayette@yahoo.com.au>
      To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 7:06 am
      Subject: RE: [DQN-list] Re: Differences



      Hey, you have the same as I have! ;-)

      (Well, I've ended up with 2 copies of 1st edition, but
      them's the breaks)

      Do you mean something like this?

      http://www.iosphere.net/~eric/dq/dq2vs3.htm <http://www.iosphere.net/~eric/dq/dq2vs3.htm>

      All the best,


      Lev

      --- Gabriel Martinez <gmartinez@ambiente.gov.ar <mailto:gmartinez@ambiente.gov.ar> >
      wrote:

      > Sorry, I have 1st. Boxed Edition, 2nd HardCover, 2nd
      > Bantan Ed. and 3rd TSR; And there is many
      > diferencies.
      >
      > There is a doc going around marking diference
      > betweeneach one. Maybe Eric, Snafaru or Martin know
      > there is it.
      >
      > Regards.
      >
      > Gabriel.
      >
      >
      > ________________________________
      >
      > De: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com> en nombre de
      > GBerman@aol.com <mailto:GBerman@aol.com>
      > Enviado el: jue 20/03/2008 17:47
      > Para: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com>
      > Asunto: Re: [DQN-list] Re: Differences
      >
      >
      >
      > Well for completeness, I guess I'll just have to buy
      > the 2nd ed boxed set as well ;-) Darn <snapping
      > fingers>
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: gruundehn <gruundehn@yahoo.com <mailto:gruundehn@yahoo.com> >
      > To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 4:42 pm
      > Subject: [DQN-list] Re: Differences
      >
      >
      > The only difference I can remember, it was mentioned
      > in a much earlier
      > post either here or DQ Rules, is that the Perception
      > was increased from
      > 5 to 8. I think there might have been one other
      > change but I haven't
      > gone back through the posts to find the specific
      > one. I have the Bantam
      > 2nd Ed, I never saw the boxed one.
      >
      > Chris Cole
      > The World's Tallest Dwarf
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com>
      > <mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com?> > , GBerman@...
      > wrote:
      > >
      > > Hey there,
      > >
      > > Is there anyone that has the 2nd Edition boxed
      > set, that can tell me
      > are there any differences between that and the
      > randome house 2nd ed?
      > >
      >
      >
      >
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      Group: dqn-list Message: 3126 From: Gabriel Martinez Date: 3/21/2008
      Subject: Re: Differences
      Attachments :
        Exactly, it was. it is more than clear.

        Even I got some english magazines with DQ articles (Images or something like that). The last I got was "Fantasy Gamer magazine RPG Oct 1983".

        Regards.

        Gabriel.

        ________________________________

        De: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com en nombre de Lev Lafayette
        Enviado el: vie 21/03/2008 8:06
        Para: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
        Asunto: RE: [DQN-list] Re: Differences




        Hey, you have the same as I have! ;-)

        (Well, I've ended up with 2 copies of 1st edition, but
        them's the breaks)

        Do you mean something like this?

        http://www.iosphere.net/~eric/dq/dq2vs3.htm <http://www.iosphere.net/~eric/dq/dq2vs3.htm>

        All the best,

        Lev

        --- Gabriel Martinez <gmartinez@ambiente.gov.ar <mailto:gmartinez%40ambiente.gov.ar> >
        wrote:

        > Sorry, I have 1st. Boxed Edition, 2nd HardCover, 2nd
        > Bantan Ed. and 3rd TSR; And there is many
        > diferencies.
        >
        > There is a doc going around marking diference
        > betweeneach one. Maybe Eric, Snafaru or Martin know
        > there is it.
        >
        > Regards.
        >
        > Gabriel.
        >
        >
        > ________________________________
        >
        > De: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:dqn-list%40yahoogroups.com> en nombre de
        > GBerman@aol.com <mailto:GBerman%40aol.com>
        > Enviado el: jue 20/03/2008 17:47
        > Para: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:dqn-list%40yahoogroups.com>
        > Asunto: Re: [DQN-list] Re: Differences
        >
        >
        >
        > Well for completeness, I guess I'll just have to buy
        > the 2nd ed boxed set as well ;-) Darn <snapping
        > fingers>
        >
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: gruundehn <gruundehn@yahoo.com <mailto:gruundehn%40yahoo.com> >
        > To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:dqn-list%40yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 4:42 pm
        > Subject: [DQN-list] Re: Differences
        >
        >
        > The only difference I can remember, it was mentioned
        > in a much earlier
        > post either here or DQ Rules, is that the Perception
        > was increased from
        > 5 to 8. I think there might have been one other
        > change but I haven't
        > gone back through the posts to find the specific
        > one. I have the Bantam
        > 2nd Ed, I never saw the boxed one.
        >
        > Chris Cole
        > The World's Tallest Dwarf
        >
        >
        >
        > --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:dqn-list%40yahoogroups.com>
        > <mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:dqn-list%40yahoogroups.com> > , GBerman@...
        > wrote:
        > >
        > > Hey there,
        > >
        > > Is there anyone that has the 2nd Edition boxed
        > set, that can tell me
        > are there any differences between that and the
        > randome house 2nd ed?
        > >
        >
        >
        >
        > ------------------------------------
        >
        > Yahoo! Groups Links
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > ________________________________
        >
        > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel
        > Guides
        >
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        Group: dqn-list Message: 3127 From: HR Date: 3/22/2008
        Subject: DQ on eBay
        I've seen several copies of DQ come across eBay lately, a current
        listing is:
        DRAGONQUEST RPG LOT GUIDEBOOK BLADE OF ALLECTUS MORE

        Current Bid: $9.99 (0 Bids)

        Shipping: $6.00
        End time: Mar-27-08 20:32:11 PDT

        The auction link (not my auction) is
        http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
        ViewItem&item=120236239909&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

        Herb
        Group: dqn-list Message: 3128 From: Gabriel Martinez Date: 3/22/2008
        Subject: Re: DQ on eBay
        Attachments :
          Yeah...

          The last time I bid for it, was in $27..!

          Good luck for the winner...!

          ________________________________

          De: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com en nombre de HR
          Enviado el: vie 21/03/2008 12:58
          Para: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
          Asunto: [DQN-list] DQ on eBay



          I've seen several copies of DQ come across eBay lately, a current
          listing is:
          DRAGONQUEST RPG LOT GUIDEBOOK BLADE OF ALLECTUS MORE

          Current Bid: $9.99 (0 Bids)

          Shipping: $6.00
          End time: Mar-27-08 20:32:11 PDT

          The auction link (not my auction) is
          http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?>
          ViewItem&item=120236239909&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

          Herb
          Group: dqn-list Message: 3129 From: gruundehn Date: 3/28/2008
          Subject: Initiative
          For those of you with active campaigns or who remember how your
          previous campaign went - does rolling for iniative each Pulse slow the
          game down or can it be rolled once for a combat without harming the
          game? And yes, I know that this is only for non-engaged characters as
          engaged characters use a fixed Iniative Value for the weapon.
          Group: dqn-list Message: 3130 From: Mornak Date: 3/28/2008
          Subject: Re: Initiative
          Hello

          I am currently playing DQ and IMHO rolling initiative each pulse
          doesn't slow down the game and not rolling it changes a lot the
          battle. If your party attack with their ranged weapons or magic before
          the enemy party, is very diferent that the other way around. And not
          knowing who will win the initiative next pulse affects your strategies
          during battle

          Regards

          Mornak


          On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 3:29 PM, gruundehn <gruundehn@yahoo.com> wrote:
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > For those of you with active campaigns or who remember how your
          > previous campaign went - does rolling for iniative each Pulse slow the
          > game down or can it be rolled once for a combat without harming the
          > game? And yes, I know that this is only for non-engaged characters as
          > engaged characters use a fixed Iniative Value for the weapon.
          >
          >



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          Group: dqn-list Message: 3131 From: co_d16 Date: 3/29/2008
          Subject: Unarmed Combat
          Does any one think that the unarmed combat rule is broken - because i
          have a PC that has a PS 80+ and the SC% is so high and the DM is better
          than any other weapon in the game.

          cody mills
          Group: dqn-list Message: 3132 From: Mandos Mitchinson Date: 3/29/2008
          Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
          > Does any one think that the unarmed combat rule is broken - because i
          > have a PC that has a PS 80+ and the SC% is so high and the DM is better
          > than any other weapon in the game.

          While I do think the unarmed combat rules could use a bit of work, might I
          suggest that the problem here is a character with 80+ PS.

          Get the strength back into some semblance of sanity and the rest of the
          rules might start to make more sence :-)

          Mandos
          /s
          Group: dqn-list Message: 3133 From: co_d16 Date: 3/29/2008
          Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
          well what about the titan in the DMG book why would they use a weapon

          cody mills
          --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, "Mandos Mitchinson" <mandos@...> wrote:
          >
          > > Does any one think that the unarmed combat rule is broken - because
          i
          > > have a PC that has a PS 80+ and the SC% is so high and the DM is
          better
          > > than any other weapon in the game.
          >
          > While I do think the unarmed combat rules could use a bit of work,
          might I
          > suggest that the problem here is a character with 80+ PS.
          >
          > Get the strength back into some semblance of sanity and the rest of
          the
          > rules might start to make more sence :-)
          >
          > Mandos
          > /s
          >
          Group: dqn-list Message: 3134 From: co_d16 Date: 3/29/2008
          Subject: Dragons and weapon skills
          Does anyone let dragon rank the unarmed combat skill, if so why and how
          do you deal with it....
          Group: dqn-list Message: 3135 From: Jeffery K. McGonagill Date: 3/29/2008
          Subject: Re: Dragons and weapon skills
          I don't rank dragons with unarmed combat, however I do treat any attack they
          do as close combat. In other words, don't mess with dragons!

          ~Jeffery~


          > Does anyone let dragon rank the unarmed combat skill, if so why and how
          > do you deal with it....
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          Group: dqn-list Message: 3136 From: Jason Winter Date: 3/29/2008
          Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
          Other than Dragons, the Great White Whale and a Kraken there are no other creatures in the MM with a PS higher than 70.  So it's safe to say the reason Unarmed Combat is broken is because you allowed him to have a PS of 80+.  The game was never designed for players to have that kind of strength.  Even Giants don't come close to what your players PS is.

          If on the other hand your allowing a player to play a dragon or something then there should be pretty much nothing that is going to be a challenge anyway.  At least not 1 on 1.   Your going to have to do attacks where there are like 30 or 40 attackers against him to make it a challenge.

          On Mar 27, 2008, at 7:38 PM, co_d16 wrote:

          Does any one think that the unarmed combat rule is broken - because i 
          have a PC that has a PS 80+ and the SC% is so high and the DM is better 
          than any other weapon in the game. 

          cody mills

          Group: dqn-list Message: 3137 From: Lev Lafayette Date: 3/30/2008
          Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
          I think there are problems with the unarmed combat
          rules, but Cody's example does seem a little odd.. A
          PC with PS of 80+?! Ahh, we can but dream!

          The specific problem I refer to is that the game
          assumes linear scales for grapples/restrain (16.5 2nd
          edition) but does not assume this for creature
          statistics (sections 66 etc).

          Scaling issues like this are not uncommon in a great
          number of RPGs. This still are a bit of nuissance
          tho'.

          Regards,


          Lev

          --- co_d16 <co_d16@yahoo.com> wrote:

          > Does any one think that the unarmed combat rule is
          > broken - because i
          > have a PC that has a PS 80+ and the SC% is so high
          > and the DM is better
          > than any other weapon in the game.
          >
          > cody mills
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          Group: dqn-list Message: 3138 From: co_d16 Date: 3/30/2008
          Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
          In my earlier post I ment to Say an NPC with a 80+ PS which is very
          easy when the bad guy is a Titan earth mage that cast Strengh of
          Stone rank 10+ -

          --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, Jason Winter <JasonWinter@...> wrote:
          >
          > Other than Dragons, the Great White Whale and a Kraken there are
          no
          > other creatures in the MM with a PS higher than 70. So it's safe
          to
          > say the reason Unarmed Combat is broken is because you allowed him
          to
          > have a PS of 80+. The game was never designed for players to have
          > that kind of strength. Even Giants don't come close to what your
          > players PS is.
          >
          > If on the other hand your allowing a player to play a dragon or
          > something then there should be pretty much nothing that is going to
          be
          > a challenge anyway. At least not 1 on 1. Your going to have to
          do
          > attacks where there are like 30 or 40 attackers against him to make
          it
          > a challenge.
          >
          > On Mar 27, 2008, at 7:38 PM, co_d16 wrote:
          >
          > > Does any one think that the unarmed combat rule is broken -
          because i
          > > have a PC that has a PS 80+ and the SC% is so high and the DM is
          > > better
          > > than any other weapon in the game.
          > >
          > > cody mills
          > >
          >
          > >
          >
          Group: dqn-list Message: 3139 From: GBerman@aol.com Date: 3/30/2008
          Subject: Missing pages/playtest material
          Hi there is there anyone that can scan and email pages 27 and 28 from the first book of first edition. Going through it page by page I noticed a couple of pages gone. Thanks so much :-)

          Oh yeah to those who are interested in my religion/powers of light article. It is coming along good, turns out there is a lot of material to extrapolate from, it's just sifting through the material. Sadly this article will have to wait until I can find a copy of Enchanted Wood.

          So I am moving on to extrapolation of material to form the martial artist skill. Most of the material I do is solely extrapolation.

          Oh yeah this should be considered an unconfirmed rumor, but a buddy of mine from my old gaming group said he had seen photocopies of playtest material on skills and monsters back in the day, but sadly he did not have a copy of them. Not sure if I had mentioned this before.

          Anyone know a playtester from the old days that may still have playtest material. I'm sure the Worldbuilder stuff by Steve Jackson was almost complete as well.
          Group: dqn-list Message: 3140 From: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/31/2008
          Subject: New file uploaded to dqn-list
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          Group: dqn-list Message: 3141 From: co_d16 Date: 3/31/2008
          Subject: Magic Record Sheets
          I have almost all of the collages made out if anyone would like to have
          some of them

          cody mills
          Group: dqn-list Message: 3142 From: Mandos Mitchinson Date: 3/31/2008
          Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
          > In my earlier post I ment to Say an NPC with a 80+ PS which is very
          > easy when the bad guy is a Titan earth mage that cast Strengh of
          > Stone rank 10+ -

          Well if a chap 50ft tall hits you you will probably die pretty quickly, so
          again the rules seem to simulate that quite well. If the strike chances seem
          to high assign a GM modifier to them to simulate the difficulty of something
          that large hitting a tiny target.

          Mandos
          /s
          Group: dqn-list Message: 3143 From: darkislephil Date: 3/31/2008
          Subject: Re: Missing pages/playtest material
          Actually the Worldbuilder stuff was far from complete and most of it
          is pretty severely dated at this point. It would be generous to call
          it a draft release. Steve was only partially familiar with the rules
          and it shows.

          The most interesting bits in it, IMO, were the group ritual rules and
          some organizational stuff on both magic houses and guilds.


          --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, GBerman@... wrote:
          > Anyone know a playtester from the old days that may still have
          playtest material. I'm sure the Worldbuilder stuff by Steve Jackson
          was almost complete as well.
          >
          Group: dqn-list Message: 3144 From: Edi Date: 3/31/2008
          Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
          I'd safdy that the easiest solution would be to cap the bonus you can
          get to the Strike Chance from having high PS. The Damage, that's a
          different thing and harder to solve.

          Then again, giant characters should probably be using a base PS value
          different from other characters for Unarmed Combat due to the way their
          strength is dteermined at character creation.

          Edi


          Mandos Mitchinson wrote:
          >
          > > In my earlier post I ment to Say an NPC with a 80+ PS which is very
          > > easy when the bad guy is a Titan earth mage that cast Strengh of
          > > Stone rank 10+ -
          >
          > Well if a chap 50ft tall hits you you will probably die pretty quickly, so
          > again the rules seem to simulate that quite well. If the strike
          > chances seem
          > to high assign a GM modifier to them to simulate the difficulty of
          > something
          > that large hitting a tiny target.
          >
          > Mandos
          > /s
          >
          >
          Group: dqn-list Message: 3145 From: GBerman@aol.com Date: 3/31/2008
          Subject: Re: Missing pages/playtest material
          Ok gotta ask. Do you have copies that a poor deserving little gamer could pry out of your hands? ;-)

          My view on DQ is pretty much anything playtest is better than no supplement at all :-)


          -----Original Message-----
          From: darkislephil <phergus@gmail.com>
          To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 1:28 pm
          Subject: [DQN-list] Re: Missing pages/playtest material

          Actually the Worldbuilder stuff was far from complete and most of it
is pretty severely dated at this point.  It would be generous to call
it a draft release.  Steve was only partially familiar with the rules
and it shows.

The most interesting bits in it, IMO, were the group ritual rules and
some organizational stuff on both magic houses and guilds.



           --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, GBerman@... wrote:
> Anyone know a playtester from the old days that may still have
playtest material. I'm sure the Worldbuilder stuff by Steve Jackson
was almost complete as well.
>



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          Group: dqn-list Message: 3146 From: cody mills Date: 3/31/2008
          Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
          Titans are not 50ft tall they are 24 but my point is that there fist dies more DM than their sword.
           
          cody mlls

          Mandos Mitchinson <mandos@allowed.to> wrote:
          > In my earlier post I ment to Say an NPC with a 80+ PS which is very
          > easy when the bad guy is a Titan earth mage that cast Strengh of
          > Stone rank 10+ -

          Well if a chap 50ft tall hits you you will probably die pretty quickly, so
          again the rules seem to simulate that quite well. If the strike chances seem
          to high assign a GM modifier to them to simulate the difficulty of something
          that large hitting a tiny target.

          Mandos
          /s


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          Group: dqn-list Message: 3147 From: igmod@comcast.net Date: 3/31/2008
          Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
          They will also take damage using their fist.  Of course they can use their strength with their weapons too. 
           
          A giant with a broadsword and a PS 40 can hit for D+9, of course his chance of breaking his weapon also increases.
           
          -------------- Original message --------------
          From: cody mills <co_d16@yahoo.com>
          Titans are not 50ft tall they are 24 but my point is that there fist dies more DM than their sword.
           
          cody mlls

          Mandos Mitchinson <mandos@allowed.to> wrote:
          > In my earlier post I ment to Say an NPC with a 80+ PS which is very
          > easy when the bad guy is a Titan earth mage that cast Strengh of
          > Stone rank 10+ -

          Well if a chap 50ft tall hits you you will probably die pretty quickly, so
          again the rules seem to simulate that quite well. If the strike chances seem
          to high assign a GM modifier to them to simulate the difficulty of something
          that large hitting a tiny target.

          Mandos
          /s


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          Group: dqn-list Message: 3148 From: cody mills Date: 3/31/2008
          Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
          Where in the rules does it say they take DM also
           
          cody mills

          igmod@comcast.net wrote:
          They will also take damage using their fist.  Of course they can use their strength with their weapons too. 
           
          A giant with a broadsword and a PS 40 can hit for D+9, of course his chance of breaking his weapon also increases.
           
          ------------ -- Original message ------------ --
          From: cody mills <co_d16@yahoo. com>
          Titans are not 50ft tall they are 24 but my point is that there fist dies more DM than their sword.
           
          cody mlls

          Mandos Mitchinson <mandos@allowed. to> wrote:
          > In my earlier post I ment to Say an NPC with a 80+ PS which is very
          > easy when the bad guy is a Titan earth mage that cast Strengh of
          > Stone rank 10+ -

          Well if a chap 50ft tall hits you you will probably die pretty quickly, so
          again the rules seem to simulate that quite well. If the strike chances seem
          to high assign a GM modifier to them to simulate the difficulty of something
          that large hitting a tiny target.

          Mandos
          /s


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          Group: dqn-list Message: 3149 From: Jeffery K. McGonagill Date: 3/31/2008
          Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
          Hmmm, I may be remembering 1st Edition, where characters using unarmed combat suffered damage equal to the armor of the person being attacked.
           
          ~Jeffery~
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: cody mills
          Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 8:03 PM
          Subject: RE: [DQN-list] Re: Unarmed Combat

          Where in the rules does it say they take DM also
           
          cody mills

          igmod@comcast.net wrote:
          They will also take damage using their fist.  Of course they can use their strength with their weapons too. 
           
          A giant with a broadsword and a PS 40 can hit for D+9, of course his chance of breaking his weapon also increases.
           
          ------------ -- Original message ------------ --
          From: cody mills <co_d16@yahoo. com>
          Titans are not 50ft tall they are 24 but my point is that there fist dies more DM than their sword.
           
          cody mlls

          Mandos Mitchinson <mandos@allowed. to> wrote:
          > In my earlier post I ment to Say an NPC with a 80+ PS which is very
          > easy when the bad guy is a Titan earth mage that cast Strengh of
          > Stone rank 10+ -

          Well if a chap 50ft tall hits you you will probably die pretty quickly, so
          again the rules seem to simulate that quite well. If the strike chances seem
          to high assign a GM modifier to them to simulate the difficulty of something
          that large hitting a tiny target.

          Mandos
          /s


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          Group: dqn-list Message: 3150 From: Mandos Mitchinson Date: 4/1/2008
          Subject: Re: Unarmed Combat
          Only because no one has bothered creating stats for a titans sword.
           
          Assuming a Giants weapon does +2 or +3 more than normal and the giants strength is only a few points more than a very strong human a titan with 60 additional strength you would be looking at bucket loads more damage.
           
          Mandos
          /s

          From: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cody mills
          Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2008 9:41 a.m.
          To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [DQN-list] Re: Unarmed Combat

          Titans are not 50ft tall they are 24 but my point is that there fist dies more DM than their sword.
           
          cody mlls

          Mandos Mitchinson <mandos@allowed. to> wrote:
          > In my earlier post I ment to Say an NPC with a 80+ PS which is very
          > easy when the bad guy is a Titan earth mage that cast Strengh of
          > Stone rank 10+ -

          Well if a chap 50ft tall hits you you will probably die pretty quickly, so
          again the rules seem to simulate that quite well. If the strike chances seem
          to high assign a GM modifier to them to simulate the difficulty of something
          that large hitting a tiny target.

          Mandos
          /s


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          Group: dqn-list Message: 3151 From: Anthony N. Emmel Date: 4/1/2008
          Subject: Re: DQ on eBay
          Chello!

          --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, "HR" <herb-rpg@...> wrote:
          > BLADE OF ALLECTUS MORE
          >
          > Current Bid: $9.99 (0 Bids)

          I just wanted to point out that both Noble Knight and Dragon's Trove
          have copies up for $10.

          Tony
          Group: dqn-list Message: 3152 From: GBerman@aol.com Date: 4/1/2008
          Subject: Giant Spearthrower
          Wgt  PS  MD  BC  Dam  Range  Class  Use  Cost  Max Rank
          Giant Spearthrower      12     16   16    55%  +5    30          A       R      10     10
          Group: dqn-list Message: 3153 From: co_d16 Date: 4/1/2008
          Subject: PC's
          Would any one put their PC in the PC Record folder so I can have a look
          I want to see what other DM's are like and what kinda PC's players like
          to play

          cody mills
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          Group: dqn-list Message: 3155 From: Mandos Mitchinson Date: 4/3/2008
          Subject: Re: PC's
          http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Dramus is my longest running character at 16 years and he gets played pretty much continuously.
           
          His items and writeups are mostly online along with other details.
           
          Mandos
          /s

          From: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of co_d16
          Sent: Wednesday, 2 April 2008 2:17 p.m.
          To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [DQN-list] PC's

          Would any one put their PC in the PC Record folder so I can have a look
          I want to see what other DM's are like and what kinda PC's players like
          to play

          cody mills
          Group: dqn-list Message: 3156 From: Keith Smith Date: 4/3/2008
          Subject: Re: PC's
          My PCs are also in our DQ Wiki, i.e.

          http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Basalic
          http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Phaeton
          http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Aqualina

          Basalic was the first one, created in 1991, with the other two created not that long after in the same year. I've been rotating between them since then.

          Keith


          ----- Original Message ----
          From: Mandos Mitchinson <mandos@allowed.to>
          To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Thursday, 3 April, 2008 7:38:37 PM
          Subject: RE: [DQN-list] PC's

          http://www.dragonquest.org.nz/dqwiki/index.php/Dramus is my longest running character at 16 years and he gets played pretty much continuously.
           
          His items and writeups are mostly online along with other details.
           
          Mandos
          /s

          From: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of co_d16
          Sent: Wednesday, 2 April 2008 2:17 p.m.
          To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [DQN-list] PC's

          Would any one put their PC in the PC Record folder so I can have a look
          I want to see what other DM's are like and what kinda PC's players like
          to play

          cody mills



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