> I still own a swack of JG stuff. Here is one of my
> file boxes to prove
> it:
>
> http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/dq/filebox_JG.jpg
>
> My friends used to play alot of JG based stuff. My
> favourite time was
> running across a group of sirens on some rocks in
> the middle of a plain
> (we finally figured out the encounter was supposed
> to be coded for an
> ocean hex). But it took a while to try get the
> image of sirens luring
> us to our doom as we rolled along in our wagons.
>
> Good Times.
>
> JohnR
>
>
> --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, "eruditeredux"
> <eruditeredux@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > John, I also used to own almost all of the JG
> stuff, from WoHF,
> > CCotIO, CSotVE, Caverns of Thracia, etc.Of course,
> I no longer have
> it. :(
> >
> > We played many DND games set in that world, and I
> agree that it is
> > very usable with DQ, right down to the 5mi hexes
> on the overland maps.
> > I'm not sure if I want to spend money right now on
> re-purchasing that
> > product, but the color map is free.
> >
> > I always loved the weird encounters or places of
> interest cited for
> > the wilderness hexes.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

> Is anyone interested in playing in a new online PBEM
> (play by e-mail)
> campaign? I am thinking about starting a new
> campaign to be played
> online as a wiki-based PBEM game. I haven't tried
> this approach
> before, but I think it should work. Everyone would
> edit and update
> wiki pages to move the story along, and have an
> archive of information
> about the campaign setting available.
>
> There are a couple settings I am considering, but I
> am leaning toward
> seeing what I can do with the Albion: Land of Faerie
> setting, in part
> because it was recently being discussed.
>
> I'm interested in getting a variety of players for
> the game. I am
> looking for this to be relatively straightforward,
> old school gaming.
> However, story and narrative are going to be
> important aspects
> because of the slow nature of the medium. I would
> like to get players
> who can put some spin on a story and write something
> more than "I
> attack with my broadsword."
>
> Because it is going to be done by post, I want to
> de-emphasize
> tactical combat (I'm not going to do turn-by-turn
> combats) though I
> haven't figured out exactly how I want to handle the
> combat as yet.
> But there will be combat.
>
> I am planning to use 2nd Edition, plus Poor
> Brendan's Almanac and
> possibly some other modifications. I may also do
> some experimentation
> with various other rules (either modifying existing
> or creating new
> rules altogether). Characters will have some
> beginning experience,
> but will still be mercenary-level characters to
> start.
>
> Send me a message if you are interested in taking
> part in this.
>
> Rodger
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

> Is anyone interested in playing in a new online PBEM (play by e-mail)
> campaign? I am thinking about starting a new campaign to be played
> online as a wiki-based PBEM game. I haven't tried this approach
> before, but I think it should work. Everyone would edit and update
> wiki pages to move the story along, and have an archive of
> information
> about the campaign setting available.
>
> There are a couple settings I am considering, but I am leaning toward
> seeing what I can do with the Albion: Land of Faerie setting, in part
> because it was recently being discussed.
>
> I'm interested in getting a variety of players for the game. I am
> looking for this to be relatively straightforward, old school gaming.
> However, story and narrative are going to be important aspects
> because of the slow nature of the medium. I would like to get
> players
> who can put some spin on a story and write something more than "I
> attack with my broadsword."
>
> Because it is going to be done by post, I want to de-emphasize
> tactical combat (I'm not going to do turn-by-turn combats) though I
> haven't figured out exactly how I want to handle the combat as yet.
> But there will be combat.
>
> I am planning to use 2nd Edition, plus Poor Brendan's Almanac and
> possibly some other modifications. I may also do some
> experimentation
> with various other rules (either modifying existing or creating new
> rules altogether). Characters will have some beginning experience,
> but will still be mercenary-level characters to start.
>
> Send me a message if you are interested in taking part in this.
>
> Rodger
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, "rthorm" <rthorm@...> wrote:
>
> Is anyone interested in playing in a new online PBEM (play by e-
mail)
> campaign? I am thinking about starting a new campaign to be played
> online as a wiki-based PBEM game. I haven't tried this approach
> before, but I think it should work. Everyone would edit and update
> wiki pages to move the story along, and have an archive of
information
> about the campaign setting available.
>
> There are a couple settings I am considering, but I am leaning
toward
> seeing what I can do with the Albion: Land of Faerie setting, in
part
> because it was recently being discussed.
>
> I'm interested in getting a variety of players for the game. I am
> looking for this to be relatively straightforward, old school
gaming.
> However, story and narrative are going to be important aspects
> because of the slow nature of the medium. I would like to get
players
> who can put some spin on a story and write something more than "I
> attack with my broadsword."
>
> Because it is going to be done by post, I want to de-emphasize
> tactical combat (I'm not going to do turn-by-turn combats) though I
> haven't figured out exactly how I want to handle the combat as
yet.
> But there will be combat.
>
> I am planning to use 2nd Edition, plus Poor Brendan's Almanac and
> possibly some other modifications. I may also do some
experimentation
> with various other rules (either modifying existing or creating new
> rules altogether). Characters will have some beginning experience,
> but will still be mercenary-level characters to start.
>
> Send me a message if you are interested in taking part in this.
>
> Rodger
>

----- Original Message -----

From: rthorm

To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 7:31 AM

Subject: [DQN-list] DQ PBEM wiki

Is anyone interested in playing in a new online PBEM (play by e-mail)
campaign? I am thinking about starting a new campaign to be played
online as a wiki-based PBEM game. I haven't tried this approach
before, but I think it should work. Everyone would edit and update
wiki pages to move the story along, and have an archive of information
about the campaign setting available.

There are a couple settings I am considering, but I am leaning toward
seeing what I can do with the Albion: Land of Faerie setting, in part
because it was recently being discussed.

I'm interested in getting a variety of players for the game. I am
looking for this to be relatively straightforward, old school gaming.
However, story and narrative are going to be important aspects
because of the slow nature of the medium. I would like to get players
who can put some spin on a story and write something more than "I
attack with my broadsword."

Because it is going to be done by post, I want to de-emphasize
tactical combat (I'm not going to do turn-by-turn combats) though I
haven't figured out exactly how I want to handle the combat as yet.
But there will be combat.

I am planning to use 2nd Edition, plus Poor Brendan's Almanac and
possibly some other modifications. I may also do some experimentation
with various other rules (either modifying existing or creating new
rules altogether). Characters will have some beginning experience,
but will still be mercenary-level characters to start.

Send me a message if you are interested in taking part in this.

Rodger

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--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <imperium1@...> wrote:
>
> I'm very interested
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rthorm
> To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 7:31 AM
> Subject: [DQN-list] DQ PBEM wiki
>
>
> Is anyone interested in playing in a new online PBEM (play by e-mail)
> campaign? I am thinking about starting a new campaign to be played
> online as a wiki-based PBEM game. I haven't tried this approach
> before, but I think it should work. Everyone would edit and update
> wiki pages to move the story along, and have an archive of information
> about the campaign setting available.
>
> There are a couple settings I am considering, but I am leaning toward
> seeing what I can do with the Albion: Land of Faerie setting, in part
> because it was recently being discussed.
>
> I'm interested in getting a variety of players for the game. I am
> looking for this to be relatively straightforward, old school gaming.
> However, story and narrative are going to be important aspects
> because of the slow nature of the medium. I would like to get players
> who can put some spin on a story and write something more than "I
> attack with my broadsword."
>
> Because it is going to be done by post, I want to de-emphasize
> tactical combat (I'm not going to do turn-by-turn combats) though I
> haven't figured out exactly how I want to handle the combat as yet.
> But there will be combat.
>
> I am planning to use 2nd Edition, plus Poor Brendan's Almanac and
> possibly some other modifications. I may also do some experimentation
> with various other rules (either modifying existing or creating new
> rules altogether). Characters will have some beginning experience,
> but will still be mercenary-level characters to start.
>
> Send me a message if you are interested in taking part in this.
>
> Rodger
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, "rthorm" <rthorm@...> wrote:
>
> Is anyone interested in playing in a new online PBEM (play by e-mail)
> campaign? I am thinking about starting a new campaign to be played
> online as a wiki-based PBEM game. I haven't tried this approach
> before, but I think it should work. Everyone would edit and update
> wiki pages to move the story along, and have an archive of information
> about the campaign setting available.

> Beginners as in straight out of the "box", just created characters.

> I think the most fun was when the golem couldn't hit an amnesiatic
> mage. Everyone was making jokes like, "Ooh, look, a shiney penney."
> and bending over just when the golem was making its attacks.

> So many! I appreciate the thoughts and opinions. I'm going to re-read
> Blade of Allectus today.

> I am a bit taken aback at how inexperienced starting characters are.
> I'm reading that Aestus' daughter, Decuma, who is 18 years old, has a
> starting familiarity with the College of Naming Incantations (just like
> a PC), but knows:
> 4 modern languages at Rank 4 (4,800 XP)
> 5 ancient languages at Rank 3 (6,000 Xp)
> Troubadour Rank 3 (1,150 XP)
> Beast Master Rank 5 (4,950 XP)
> Healer Rank 3 (6,500 XP)
>
> This comes to a total of about 23,500 XP! At 15 XP per day of practice,
> and assume 300 days of doing so, over 5 years to get all of this XP.
> Now, I do not have a problem with where she is at, it seems fine for the
> young daughter of an accomplished magician. I just can't see player
> characters being so far behind!

> Has anyone started characters out with XP in the bank? How has it
> worked out?

> I am presently playing D&D 3.5 because this is what my group is
> playing. Regardless of you opinion of D&D I think that system has two
> improvements that could be brought into DQ and improve the game. The
> first is the pair of skills Bluff and Diplomancy. These skills allow
> the character to be better than the player in these areas. I would
> suggest that they be along the lines of Horsemanship in being general
> skills not tied to any skill package.

>The second improvement is NPC
> classes. I think a series of NPC only skill packages to cover various
> professions is better than trying to either make something on the fly
> or have all the NPCs be various PC skill packages. This would also
> allow the GM to build a stable of NPCs easier - after all, I doubt any
> of us has the time to create unique NPCs for all encounters from
> scratch. I intend to start a DQ campaign and use these as house rules.

> My sole reason for wishing to add NPC classes is to make it easier to generate NPCs. For example, shopkeepers will tend to be very similar and having the "frame" to hang any details on would allow me to generate a city easier. I could have, say: 12 Rank 5 shopkeepers, 25 Rank 4 shopkeepers, etc. and the only work I'd need to do is generate the slight differences between them. If I wanted to have quality in weapons & armor I could use the Rank of the weaponsmith or armorer to generate it and be consistent. If the party is going to interact with the local noble, modifying the skill package of a Noble Rank 7 is easier and faster than creating the NPC completely from scratch. An already existing campaign that has been going for years will have most of the NPCs already made up and the GM will know pretty much what works so that an NPC can be made to fit the situation. A new GM who will have to start with nothing built up over the years will save time by having the basic work
> already done for the NPCs. Have I explained myself better this time?

> I just received 'The Palace on Ontacle', and I'm impressed with just
> flipping through it. Anyone expecting a fleshed out scenario will be
> disappointed, but for someone who wants a framework for their own to
> personalize will be happy. I'll read more this weekend.

> Hullo, Gruundehn,
>
> Welcome to the mailing list. :)
>
> In a message of November 23rd, 2007, gruundehn
> wrote,
>
> > I am presently playing D&D 3.5 because this is
> what my group is
> > playing. Regardless of you opinion of D&D I think
> that system has two
> > improvements that could be brought into DQ and
> improve the game. The
> > first is the pair of skills Bluff and Diplomancy.
> These skills allow
> > the character to be better than the player in
> these areas. I would
> > suggest that they be along the lines of
> Horsemanship in being general
> > skills not tied to any skill package.
>
> That would certainly be one way to do so, but
> one could take
> several alternate approaches to this matter. The
> first is to create it
> as a secondary skill, along the lines of Cooking,
> perhaps. The second
> would be to create a skill that incorporates
> diplomacy as part of its
> skill set.
>

>> That would certainly be one way to do so, but
>>one could take several alternate approaches to this matter. The
>>first is to create it as a secondary skill, along the lines of Cooking,
>>perhaps. The second would be to create a skill that incorporates
>>diplomacy as part of its skill set.
>
> Diplomacy for Courtier/Courtesans and Bluff for Spies!
> :-)

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, John M Kahane <jkahane@...> wrote:
>
> Hullo, folks,
>
> I am pleased to announce that I am in the process of re-
launching
> my set of DRAGONQUEST rpg webpages. The main page is up, but the
only
> links that function at this time are the Fan Poll link and the Ask
> Shariana the Sage link. Keep coming back to the site, as stuff
will be
> added gradually.
>
> The website can be found at
>
> http://www.comnet.ca/~jkahane/dq/dragonquest.html
>
> so please check out the basics, and take the Fan Poll. Comments
and
> feedback are also welcome of course. :)
>
> ...No tagline is necessary if mailed in Canada.
>
> --
> JohnK
> e-mail: jkahane@...
> web: http://www.comnet.ca/~jkahane
> blog: http://jkahane.livejournal.com
>

> Cool! Nice to see.

> The "library spook" link appears to be dead.

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, John M Kahane <jkahane@...> wrote:
>
> Hullo, Lev,
>
> In a message of December 10th, 2007, Lev Lafayette wrote,
>
> >> That would certainly be one way to do so, but
> >>one could take several alternate approaches to this matter. The
> >>first is to create it as a secondary skill, along the lines of
Cooking,
> >>perhaps. The second would be to create a skill that incorporates
> >>diplomacy as part of its skill set.
> >
> > Diplomacy for Courtier/Courtesans and Bluff for Spies!
> > :-)
>
> Yes, you could certainly add the two skills under those Skills
from
> the DQ Rules. Rather than Bluff, I might call it Con, as it can be
used
> for all manner of other stuff, too. :)
>
> ...If you can't say something nice, say something surreal.
>
> --
> JohnK
> e-mail: jkahane@...
> web: http://www.comnet.ca/~jkahane
> blog: http://jkahane.livejournal.com
>

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, John M Kahane <jkahane@...> wrote:
>
> Hullo, Ran,
>
> In a message of November 11th, 2007, Ran Hardin wrote,
>
> > Cool! Nice to see.
>
> Thanks. Much appreciated. :)
>
> > The "library spook" link appears to be dead.
>
> The link isn't dead per se, it's just not working yet. That
link,
> and links to characters and other beasties will not function until
the
> Shariana set of pages on the website becomes active. All will be
> revealed. :)
>
> --
> JohnK
> e-mail: jkahane@...
> web: http://www.comnet.ca/~jkahane
> blog: http://jkahane.livejournal.com
>

> I've always liked the concept of rune magic, but
> I've never really
> liked the college as it is in DQ. I've wanted to
> give it an overhaul
> for years, but have never really found the right
> inspiration. Can
> anyone recommend any fantasy series out there that
> incorporates rune
> magics as part of the world?

>
> The only series that I can remember using rune magic
> is the Death Gate
> Cycle, by Weiss and Hickman. I really liked how
> they used runes as
> tattoos that could be 'activated' in order cast the
> spell. I think
> there is some potential for DQ there.

>
> I've always liked the concept of rune magic, but I've never really
> liked the college as it is in DQ. I've wanted to give it an overhaul
> for years, but have never really found the right inspiration. Can
> anyone recommend any fantasy series out there that incorporates rune
> magics as part of the world?
>
> The only series that I can remember using rune magic is the Death Gate
> Cycle, by Weiss and Hickman. I really liked how they used runes as
> tattoos that could be 'activated' in order cast the spell. I think
> there is some potential for DQ there.
>
> Steve
>

>
> I've always liked the concept of rune magic, but I've never really
> liked the college as it is in DQ. I've wanted to give it an overhaul
> for years, but have never really found the right inspiration. Can
> anyone recommend any fantasy series out there that incorporates rune
> magics as part of the world?
>
> The only series that I can remember using rune magic is the Death Gate
> Cycle, by Weiss and Hickman. I really liked how they used runes as
> tattoos that could be 'activated' in order cast the spell. I think
> there is some potential for DQ there.
>
> Steve
>

>
> I've always liked the concept of rune magic, but I've never really
> liked the college as it is in DQ. I've wanted to give it an overhaul
> for years, but have never really found the right inspiration. Can
> anyone recommend any fantasy series out there that incorporates rune
> magics as part of the world?
>
> The only series that I can remember using rune magic is the Death Gate
> Cycle, by Weiss and Hickman. I really liked how they used runes as
> tattoos that could be 'activated' in order cast the spell. I think
> there is some potential for DQ there.
>
> Steve
>

>
> Thank you for the suggestions. In all the years I've been

>
> David, I also took a crack at reorganizing the rune magics. I

>
> -- "dbarrass_2000" <david.barrass@...> wrote:
> I hate the current DQ rune magics and, like you, have always thought
> of changing it, but never had the time. Years ago I had a go at
> categorising DQ spells and assigning runes to the various aspects of
> them, much like the spell generation rules in Arcane wisdom. A rune
> adept would then combine the runes in order to make a spell as he
> wished. I realised that this would be very open to abuse so I gave up.
>
> I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the Icelandic sagas - back to
> the original source in real DQ style. They're all freely downloadable
> from this site:-
> http://phwibbles.com/sagas/
>
> A recurrent theme is that caster's blood has to be applied to the
> runes in order to activate them.
>
> Another recurrent theme is poems in runes
>
> Combine the two and you have a rune poem describing what you want to
> happen initiated by a FT point of blood (2 for special, variable for
> rituals).
>
> Most of the magic seems to be simple ritual magics, for example the
> quote below where and old woman is preparing a tree stump. It looks
> like the stump activates when burnt and curses the household that has
> put it on their fire:-
> "She had a small flat surface cut on its smooth side; then she took a
> knife, cut runes upon it, reddened them with her blood and muttered
> some spells over it. After that she walked backwards against the sun
> round it, and spoke many potent words. Then she made them push the
> tree into the sea, and said it should go to Drangey and that Grettir
> should suffer hurt from it. .... The wind was towards the land up the
> fjord, but the woman's stump drifted against the wind, and not more
> slowly than would have been expected." - The Saga of Grettir the
> Strong. section LXXIX
>
> David
>
> --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, "pitkinave44310" <hollywood314@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I've always liked the concept of rune magic, but I've never really
> > liked the college as it is in DQ. I've wanted to give it an overhaul
> > for years, but have never really found the right inspiration. Can
> > anyone recommend any fantasy series out there that incorporates rune
> > magics as part of the world?
> >
> > The only series that I can remember using rune magic is the Death Gate
> > Cycle, by Weiss and Hickman. I really liked how they used runes as
> > tattoos that could be 'activated' in order cast the spell. I think
> > there is some potential for DQ there.
> >
> > Steve
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
> _____________________________________________________________
> Save on Financial Career Training. Click here.
>

>

>
> Thank you for the suggestions. In all the years I've been

>
> David, I also took a crack at reorganizing the rune magics. I

>
> -- "dbarrass_2000" <david.barrass@...> wrote:
> I hate the current DQ rune magics and, like you, have always thought
> of changing it, but never had the time. Years ago I had a go at
> categorising DQ spells and assigning runes to the various aspects of
> them, much like the spell generation rules in Arcane wisdom. A rune
> adept would then combine the runes in order to make a spell as he
> wished. I realised that this would be very open to abuse so I gave up.
>
> I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the Icelandic sagas - back to
> the original source in real DQ style. They're all freely downloadable
> from this site:-
> http://phwibbles.com/sagas/
>
> A recurrent theme is that caster's blood has to be applied to the
> runes in order to activate them.
>
> Another recurrent theme is poems in runes
>
> Combine the two and you have a rune poem describing what you want to
> happen initiated by a FT point of blood (2 for special, variable for
> rituals).
>
> Most of the magic seems to be simple ritual magics, for example the
> quote below where and old woman is preparing a tree stump. It looks
> like the stump activates when burnt and curses the household that has
> put it on their fire:-
> "She had a small flat surface cut on its smooth side; then she took a
> knife, cut runes upon it, reddened them with her blood and muttered
> some spells over it. After that she walked backwards against the sun
> round it, and spoke many potent words. Then she made them push the
> tree into the sea, and said it should go to Drangey and that Grettir
> should suffer hurt from it. .... The wind was towards the land up the
> fjord, but the woman's stump drifted against the wind, and not more
> slowly than would have been expected." - The Saga of Grettir the
> Strong. section LXXIX
>
> David
>
> --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, "pitkinave44310" <hollywood314@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I've always liked the concept of rune magic, but I've never really
> > liked the college as it is in DQ. I've wanted to give it an overhaul
> > for years, but have never really found the right inspiration. Can
> > anyone recommend any fantasy series out there that incorporates rune
> > magics as part of the world?
> >
> > The only series that I can remember using rune magic is the Death Gate
> > Cycle, by Weiss and Hickman. I really liked how they used runes as
> > tattoos that could be 'activated' in order cast the spell. I think
> > there is some potential for DQ there.
> >
> > Steve
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
> _____________________________________________________________
> Save on Financial Career Training. Click here.
>

>

---

To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
From: hollywood314@juno.com
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:35:49 +0000
Subject: Re: [DQN-list] Re: Rune Magics

The more I think about it, the more I agree with you. Castable spells don't really seem to fit with the flavor of Rune Magics. It might be nice to have some, but the real power of this college would be through ritual-like casting.

I do like the idea of taking from the current DQ College and using pre-carved runes that are activated.

I think that was my problem with the college as well. I think it focused too much on different materials and 'gimics' and didn't really focus on the runes themselves. In the end, the spells were not all that different from the existing colleges.

-- "dbarrass_2000" <david.barrass@ ed.ac.uk> wrote:
Yes absence of easily castable spells is a real problem for attracting
players; but if we were to have spells it's difficult to see that
there'd be a unique character to "Rune Magics"

The spells could be carved into an object and activated in a pulse
with blood (not necessarily the caster's). On re-reading the DQ rules
that's not so dissimilar from the current Rune Magics. Perhaps with
some tweaking it could do what I want.

I guess I never liked the "feel" of the college I was expecting Nordic
atmosphere (dark and doom-laden), instead it's more Amerindian
shamanistic, I feel.

David

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroup s.com, "hollywood314@ ..." <hollywood314@ ...>
wrote:
>
> Thank you for the suggestions. In all the years I've been
role-playing, I've never taken a look at RuneQuest. I guess its about
time I pick up an old copy and have a look.
>
> David, I also took a crack at reorganizing the rune magics. I
thought it would be a good idea to break the runes down into permanent
and temporary runes. I then decided to split those 2 categories into
offensive, defensive, and miscellaneous categories. I quickly
realized what an undertaking that would be and gave up. I like your
suggestion of using the Adepts blood to activate the rune. However, I
think that would limit the college to only ritual magics. While this
would be great for role-playing purposes, I wonder if it would limit
the college to not have any 'instant' cast spells?
>
> -- "dbarrass_2000" <david.barrass@ ...> wrote:
> I hate the current DQ rune magics and, like you, have always thought
> of changing it, but never had the time. Years ago I had a go at
> categorising DQ spells and assigning runes to the various aspects of
> them, much like the spell generation rules in Arcane wisdom. A rune
> adept would then combine the runes in order to make a spell as he
> wished. I realised that this would be very open to abuse so I gave up.
>
> I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the Icelandic sagas - back to
> the original source in real DQ style. They're all freely downloadable
> from this site:-
> http://phwibbles. com/sagas/
>
> A recurrent theme is that caster's blood has to be applied to the
> runes in order to activate them.
>
> Another recurrent theme is poems in runes
>
> Combine the two and you have a rune poem describing what you want to
> happen initiated by a FT point of blood (2 for special, variable for
> rituals).
>
> Most of the magic seems to be simple ritual magics, for example the
> quote below where and old woman is preparing a tree stump. It looks
> like the stump activates when burnt and curses the household that has
> put it on their fire:-
> "She had a small flat surface cut on its smooth side; then she took a
> knife, cut runes upon it, reddened them with her blood and muttered
> some spells over it. After that she walked backwards against the sun
> round it, and spoke many potent words. Then she made them push the
> tree into the sea, and said it should go to Drangey and that Grettir
> should suffer hurt from it. .... The wind was towards the land up the
> fjord, but the woman's stump drifted against the wind, and not more
> slowly than would have been expected." - The Saga of Grettir the
> Strong. section LXXIX
>
> David
>
> --- In dqn-list@yahoogroup s.com, "pitkinave44310" <hollywood314@ >
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> > I've always liked the concept of rune magic, but I've never really
> > liked the college as it is in DQ. I've wanted to give it an overhaul
> > for years, but have never really found the right inspiration. Can
> > anyone recommend any fantasy series out there that incorporates rune
> > magics as part of the world?
> >
> > The only series that I can remember using rune magic is the Death Gate
> > Cycle, by Weiss and Hickman. I really liked how they used runes as
> > tattoos that could be 'activated' in order cast the spell. I think
> > there is some potential for DQ there.
> >
> > Steve
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--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, davis john <jrd123@...> wrote:
>
> The spells could be carved into an object and activated in a
pulsewith blood (not necessarily the caster's).
>
> --This is how it works with one of the Palladdium rpg spell-casting
classes.
>
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> To: dqn-list@...: hollywood314@...: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:35:49
+0000Subject: Re: [DQN-list] Re: Rune Magics
>
>
>
>
> The more I think about it, the more I agree with you. Castable
spells don't really seem to fit with the flavor of Rune Magics. It
might be nice to have some, but the real power of this college would
be through ritual-like casting. I do like the idea of taking from the
current DQ College and using pre-carved runes that are activated. I
think that was my problem with the college as well. I think it focused
too much on different materials and 'gimics' and didn't really focus
on the runes themselves. In the end, the spells were not all that
different from the existing colleges. -- "dbarrass_2000"
<david.barrass@...> wrote:Yes absence of easily castable spells is a
real problem for attractingplayers; but if we were to have spells it's
difficult to see thatthere'd be a unique character to "Rune Magics"
The spells could be carved into an object and activated in a pulsewith
blood (not necessarily the caster's). On re-reading the DQ rulesthat's
not so dissimilar from the current Rune Magics. Perhaps withsome
tweaking it could do what I want.I guess I never liked the "feel" of
the college I was expecting Nordicatmosphere (dark and doom-laden),
instead it's more Amerindianshamanistic, I feel.David--- In
dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, "hollywood314@" <hollywood314@>wrote:>>
Thank you for the suggestions. In all the years I've beenrole-playing,
I've never taken a look at RuneQuest. I guess its abouttime I pick up
an old copy and have a look. > > David, I also took a crack at
reorganizing the rune magics. Ithought it would be a good idea to
break the runes down into permanentand temporary runes. I then decided
to split those 2 categories intooffensive, defensive, and
miscellaneous categories. I quicklyrealized what an undertaking that
would be and gave up. I like yoursuggestion of using the Adepts blood
to activate the rune. However, Ithink that would limit the college to
only ritual magics. While thiswould be great for role-playing
purposes, I wonder if it would limitthe college to not have any
'instant' cast spells?> > -- "dbarrass_2000" <david.barrass@> wrote:>
I hate the current DQ rune magics and, like you, have always thought>
of changing it, but never had the time. Years ago I had a go at>
categorising DQ spells and assigning runes to the various aspects of>
them, much like the spell generation rules in Arcane wisdom. A rune>
adept would then combine the runes in order to make a spell as he>
wished. I realised that this would be very open to abuse so I gave
up.> > I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the Icelandic sagas -
back to> the original source in real DQ style. They're all freely
downloadable> from this site:-> http://phwibbles.com/sagas/> > A
recurrent theme is that caster's blood has to be applied to the> runes
in order to activate them.> > Another recurrent theme is poems in
runes> > Combine the two and you have a rune poem describing what you
want to> happen initiated by a FT point of blood (2 for special,
variable for> rituals).> > Most of the magic seems to be simple ritual
magics, for example the> quote below where and old woman is preparing
a tree stump. It looks> like the stump activates when burnt and curses
the household that has> put it on their fire:-> "She had a small flat
surface cut on its smooth side; then she took a> knife, cut runes upon
it, reddened them with her blood and muttered> some spells over it.
After that she walked backwards against the sun> round it, and spoke
many potent words. Then she made them push the> tree into the sea, and
said it should go to Drangey and that Grettir> should suffer hurt from
it. .... The wind was towards the land up the> fjord, but the woman's
stump drifted against the wind, and not more> slowly than would have
been expected." - The Saga of Grettir the> Strong. section LXXIX> >
David> > --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, "pitkinave44310"
<hollywood314@>> wrote:> >> > I've always liked the concept of rune
magic, but I've never really> > liked the college as it is in DQ. I've
wanted to give it an overhaul> > for years, but have never really
found the right inspiration. Can> > anyone recommend any fantasy
series out there that incorporates rune> > magics as part of the
world? > > > > The only series that I can remember using rune magic is
the Death Gate> > Cycle, by Weiss and Hickman. I really liked how they
used runes as> > tattoos that could be 'activated' in order cast the
spell. I think> > there is some potential for DQ there. > > > > Steve>
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> 1b. Re: Rune Magics
> Posted by: "hollywood314@juno.com" hollywood314@juno.com pitkinave44310
> Date: Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:36 am ((PST))
>
> The more I think about it, the more I agree with you. Castable spells don't
> really seem to fit with the flavor of Rune Magics. It might be nice to have
> some, but the real power of this college would be through ritual-like casting.
>
> I do like the idea of taking from the current DQ College and using pre-carved
> runes that are activated.
>
> I think that was my problem with the college as well. I think it focused too
> much on different materials and 'gimics' and didn't really focus on the runes
> themselves. In the end, the spells were not all that different from the
> existing colleges.
>

> Actually, I was thinking of Bluff as in Feint. But Con would be just
> as great, if not more so. If such is added, you probably need to add
> a Sense Motive as well - otherwise how will the characters know they
> are being lied to?

> I've been looking at the various additional skill offered from
> various other DMs and really don't see much that I like,

> and I am begining to think NPC classes fit D&D better due to the different
> skill system there. Oh well.

> I do want to have my campaign fairly
> well fleshed out before I start. The last two campaigns I've done
> weren't done enough and while the story was good, the playing wasn't.

> I've always liked the concept of rune magic, but I've never really
> liked the college as it is in DQ. I've wanted to give it an overhaul
> for years, but have never really found the right inspiration. Can
> anyone recommend any fantasy series out there that incorporates rune
> magics as part of the world?

> The only series that I can remember using rune magic is the Death Gate
> Cycle, by Weiss and Hickman. I really liked how they used runes as
> tattoos that could be 'activated' in order cast the spell. I think
> there is some potential for DQ there.

>
> Hullo, Chris,
>
> In a message of December 11th, 2007, gruundehn wrote,
>
> > Actually, I was thinking of Bluff as in Feint. But Con would be

> > as great, if not more so. If such is added, you probably need to

> > a Sense Motive as well - otherwise how will the characters know

> > are being lied to?
>
> Oh, you meant the Bluff as in a combat manoeuver, rather than

> typical Bluff as in conning someone. Didn't catch that.

> Insofar as the
> ability to con someone is concerned, the use of a Perception check
> against the character attempting the con solves the problem of how

> character knows that he's being lied to. Much simpler, and much

> than adding a Sense Motive skill to the game, I think.
>

> > I've been looking at the various additional skill offered from
> > various other DMs and really don't see much that I like,
>
> Part of this may be that you haven't seen any that you like,

> know. :) There's an awful lot of variant material up there on the

> (some of which I will be adding to when I re-launch most of my DQ
> webpages), and while there's a lot of duplication of material, the
> approach taken to that material is really the issue I suspect that

> folks have, but 'tis really a matter of picking and choosing.
>
> > and I am begining to think NPC classes fit D&D better due to the

> > skill system there. Oh well.
>
> Well, think of the DQ Skills as being akin to Professions,

> than character Classes, an the mindset may work better for you.

> classes don't really fit in DQ, however; if one is going to create

> Skill (in DQ terms) for an NPC, then why shouldn't player

> able to take that as well?
>
> > I do want to have my campaign fairly
> > well fleshed out before I start. The last two campaigns I've done
> > weren't done enough and while the story was good, the playing

>
> Frankly, when it comes to having a campaign fairly well-

> out, I think it depends on what you mean by a campaign. To me, the
> campaign is a series of adventures or scenarios or whatever you

> call them that are connected by having the same group of players

> characters take part in them. Others may well differ in that

> with me, but such is life. :)

>
> That said, as GM you have to have some kind of idea of where

> campaign is going, both in terms of what your overall goal for the
> campaign is and in terms of the game world that you've established

> it. Players will have goals, both long- and short-term, for their
> characters, but those can be separate from the goals the GM has set

> for the campaign. Of course, this can be a whole subject thread in

> of itself! :)
>
> ...Before you start on the road to revenge, dig two graves.

> proverb)
>

> --
> JohnK
> e-mail: jkahane@...
> web: http://www.comnet.ca/~jkahane
> blog: http://jkahane.livejournal.com
>

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroup s.com, John M Kahane <jkahane@... > wrote:
>
> Hullo, Chris,
>
> In a message of December 11th, 2007, gruundehn wrote,
>
> > Actually, I was thinking of Bluff as in Feint. But Con would be
just
> > as great, if not more so. If such is added, you probably need to
add
> > a Sense Motive as well - otherwise how will the characters know
they
> > are being lied to?
>
> Oh, you meant the Bluff as in a combat manoeuver, rather than
the
> typical Bluff as in conning someone. Didn't catch that.

I probably was clear on the point since I wasn't thinking about the
con aspect at the time.

> Insofar as the
> ability to con someone is concerned, the use of a Perception check
> against the character attempting the con solves the problem of how
the
> character knows that he's being lied to. Much simpler, and much
better
> than adding a Sense Motive skill to the game, I think.
>
A point I mentioned in the dq-rules list, I have known too many
people over the many years who could notice details with ease but
were gullible to an extreme.
> > I've been looking at the various additional skill offered from
> > various other DMs and really don't see much that I like,
>
> Part of this may be that you haven't seen any that you like,
you
> know. :) There's an awful lot of variant material up there on the
web
> (some of which I will be adding to when I re-launch most of my DQ
> webpages), and while there's a lot of duplication of material, the
> approach taken to that material is really the issue I suspect that
some
> folks have, but 'tis really a matter of picking and choosing.
>
> > and I am begining to think NPC classes fit D&D better due to the
different
> > skill system there. Oh well.
>
> Well, think of the DQ Skills as being akin to Professions,
rather
> than character Classes, an the mindset may work better for you.
The NPC
> classes don't really fit in DQ, however; if one is going to create
a
> Skill (in DQ terms) for an NPC, then why shouldn't player
characters be
> able to take that as well?
>
> > I do want to have my campaign fairly
> > well fleshed out before I start. The last two campaigns I've done
> > weren't done enough and while the story was good, the playing
wasn't.
>
> Frankly, when it comes to having a campaign fairly well-
fleshed
> out, I think it depends on what you mean by a campaign. To me, the
> campaign is a series of adventures or scenarios or whatever you
want to
> call them that are connected by having the same group of players
and/or
> characters take part in them. Others may well differ in that
regard
> with me, but such is life. :)

Actually, I'm working on the maps, history, legends right now. In my
previous campaigns I tended to "wing it" too much and set up too many
contradictions such as how long it took to get from point c to point
d (why always use points a and b? Can't people go elsewhere?)
>
> That said, as GM you have to have some kind of idea of where
the
> campaign is going, both in terms of what your overall goal for the
> campaign is and in terms of the game world that you've established
for
> it. Players will have goals, both long- and short-term, for their
> characters, but those can be separate from the goals the GM has set
up
> for the campaign. Of course, this can be a whole subject thread in
and
> of itself! :)
>
> ...Before you start on the road to revenge, dig two graves.
(Chinese
> proverb)
>
I first hear this proverb as from Greece.
> --
> JohnK
> e-mail: jkahane@...
> web: http://www.comnet. ca/~jkahane
> blog: http://jkahane. livejournal. com
>

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The World's Tallest Dwarf

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> Hullo, folks,
>
> I was wondering if anyone out there has any of
> the FAQ files from
> the previous version of my DQ website. If so, can
> you please send them
> to me at the e-mail address listed below in my
> signature? Thanks. :)

> I've always liked the concept of rune magic, but I've never really
> liked the college as it is in DQ. I've wanted to give it an overhaul
> for years, but have never really found the right inspiration. Can
> anyone recommend any fantasy series out there that incorporates rune
> magics as part of the world?

> The only series that I can remember using rune magic is the Death Gate
> Cycle, by Weiss and Hickman. I really liked how they used runes as
> tattoos that could be 'activated' in order cast the spell. I think
> there is some potential for DQ there.

>> I was wondering if anyone out there has any of the FAQ files from
>>the previous version of my DQ website. If so, can you please send them
>>to me at the e-mail address listed below in my signature? Thanks. :)
>
> Have you tried www.archive.org's wayback engine?

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Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:09 AM

Subject: [DQN-list] Dragonquest skills

Hi all,

What skills were introduced in Starsilver trek and Magebird Quest?

Can someone post those? Please, pretty please (come on now don't make
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> Thanks so much Chris,
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> Really appreciate it. Were those 2 scenarios worth
> getting in your opinion?
>
> --Geoff
>
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> Hi dreris.
>
>
> I believe the silver star trek introduced the
> "miner/prospector" skill and the megebird quest
> introduced the weapon skill
> "onager".?
>
>
> Chris
>
>
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> Hi all,
>
> What skills were introduced in Starsilver trek and
> Magebird
> Quest?
>
> Can someone post those? Please, pretty please (come
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Thanks so much Chris,

Really appreciate it. Were those 2 scenarios worth getting in your opinion?

--Geoff

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Sent: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 2:58 pm
Subject: Re: [DQN-list] Dragonquest skills

Hi dreris.

I believe the silver star trek introduced the "miner/prospector" skill and the megebird quest introduced the weapon skill "onager". 

Chris

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Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:09 AM

Subject: [DQN-list] Dragonquest skills

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> Has anyone OCR'd the Frontiers of aluisa and the judges guild modules?
>
> I've just bought them and want to combine the data they provide with F
> of A to expand the area information.
>