>
> Very few spells to Rk 10? I remember one character who spent

> every EP on Wall of Fire, getting it to Rk 20.

>--- In <mailto:dqn-list%40yahoogroups.com>dqn-list@yahoogroups.com,
>"Jeffery K. McGonagill" <igmod@...>
>wrote:
> >
> > Very few spells to Rk 10? I remember one character who spent
>practically
> > every EP on Wall of Fire, getting it to Rk 20.
>
>Different campaigns proceeded differently, I'm sure. I know other
>groups where there were characters with multiple spells ranked in the
>teens.
>
>

>I know my old campaign most likely falls into the unique category,
> but towards the end of it, I had 2 mages that were close to 22 spells
> at rank 22. In my world, that was considered to have mastered the
> college, at that point, a mage could pick a second collage of magic
> to practice. This was a campaign I ran while in the military, and I
> was lucky to have a core group of players (there were 4 core and
> others that came and went as thier tours of duty took them elsewhere)
> that lasted for the 3 plus years I ran it. We played from 10:30 pm
> to 6am monday through Friday for over 3 years.

>In my campaign Rk 20 was the highest level that could be achieved. After
>some experimentation (and abuse by a munchkin) I've limited a second college
>to Shaping. One has to have the spells of the first College to Rk 6 to free
>up the MA to be high enough to learn Shaping.
>
>~Jeffery~
>
> >I know my old campaign most likely falls into the unique category,
> > but towards the end of it, I had 2 mages that were close to 22 spells
> > at rank 22. In my world, that was considered to have mastered the
> > college, at that point, a mage could pick a second collage of magic
> > to practice. This was a campaign I ran while in the military, and I
> > was lucky to have a core group of players (there were 4 core and
> > others that came and went as thier tours of duty took them elsewhere)
> > that lasted for the 3 plus years I ran it. We played from 10:30 pm
> > to 6am monday through Friday for over 3 years.
>
>

>I had one player play a shaper, and it threw my campaign so out of
>whack I had to restart it with new characters and ban the shaper

>PC class. Again, this was in a higher level campaign at that

>but he was producing so many items and had produced so many

>he advanced that it was impossible for me to get things back into
>control without doing something ridiculously drastic. Now it might
>have been my fault that I let things go that far, but at higher
>levels, I think the shaper is totally unbalanced.
>
>
>At 08:13 AM 7/5/2006, you wrote:
>
>>In my campaign Rk 20 was the highest level that could be

>>some experimentation (and abuse by a munchkin) I've limited a

>>to Shaping. One has to have the spells of the first College to

>>up the MA to be high enough to learn Shaping.
>>
>>~Jeffery~
>>
>> >I know my old campaign most likely falls into the unique

>> > but towards the end of it, I had 2 mages that were close to

>> > at rank 22. In my world, that was considered to have

>> > college, at that point, a mage could pick a second collage

>> > to practice. This was a campaign I ran while in the

>> > was lucky to have a core group of players (there were 4 core and
>> > others that came and went as thier tours of duty took them

>> > that lasted for the 3 plus years I ran it. We played from

>> > to 6am monday through Friday for over 3 years.
>>
>>
>
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I'm jumping in late, so I might be repeating an idea that has already been thrown out there.  What if Group Magic was possible as a Talent.  i.e. Share Mana?   Each College would have their own talent that would allow fellow mages to contribute mana to a casting mage.  In order to contribute mana to a spell or receive mana, the individual mages participating in the group spell would need to pass a talent check. 

Steve

-- "darkislephil" <darkislephil@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, "rthorm" <rthorm@...> wrote:

> 1.  Make the min rank for doing Group Magic Rank 6.  This corresponds
> with other DQ Magic rules (such as MA requirement).

> 2.  Use spell Rank as the determinant for maximum number of

> Rank 6 is the point at which an adept has "mastered" the spell and it
> no longer counts against their MA limit (see [34.6]).

>
> I'm jumping in late, so I might be repeating an idea that has
> already been thrown out there. What if Group Magic was possible
> as a Talent. i.e. Share Mana?

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, Jason Winter <JasonWinter@...> wrote:
>
> I had one player play a shaper, and it threw my campaign so out of
> whack I had to restart it with new characters and ban the shaper as a
> PC class. Again, this was in a higher level campaign at that point,
> but he was producing so many items and had produced so many items as
> he advanced that it was impossible for me to get things back into
> control without doing something ridiculously drastic. Now it might
> have been my fault that I let things go that far, but at higher
> levels, I think the shaper is totally unbalanced.
>
>
> At 08:13 AM 7/5/2006, you wrote:
>
> >In my campaign Rk 20 was the highest level that could be achieved.
After
> >some experimentation (and abuse by a munchkin) I've limited a
second college
> >to Shaping. One has to have the spells of the first College to Rk 6
to free
> >up the MA to be high enough to learn Shaping.
> >
> >~Jeffery~
> >
> > >I know my old campaign most likely falls into the unique category,
> > > but towards the end of it, I had 2 mages that were close to 22
spells
> > > at rank 22. In my world, that was considered to have mastered the
> > > college, at that point, a mage could pick a second collage of magic
> > > to practice. This was a campaign I ran while in the military, and I
> > > was lucky to have a core group of players (there were 4 core and
> > > others that came and went as thier tours of duty took them
elsewhere)
> > > that lasted for the 3 plus years I ran it. We played from 10:30 pm
> > > to 6am monday through Friday for over 3 years.
> >
> >
>

>Given the time requirements to create even the most trivial items, not
>to mention the endurance loss and skills loss, I can't see how any
>Shaper would ever make more than a few items of any real power.
>
>The Shaper in my current campaign has never even made a permanent
>magic item. Pretty much gets by on invested items and rag golems.
>
>But then our campaigns have always been pretty low power.
>
>--- In <mailto:dqn-list%40yahoogroups.com>dqn-list@yahoogroups.com,
>Jason Winter <JasonWinter@...> wrote:
> >
> > I had one player play a shaper, and it threw my campaign so out of
> > whack I had to restart it with new characters and ban the shaper as a
> > PC class. Again, this was in a higher level campaign at that point,
> > but he was producing so many items and had produced so many items as
> > he advanced that it was impossible for me to get things back into
> > control without doing something ridiculously drastic. Now it might
> > have been my fault that I let things go that far, but at higher
> > levels, I think the shaper is totally unbalanced.
> >
> >
> > At 08:13 AM 7/5/2006, you wrote:
> >
> > >In my campaign Rk 20 was the highest level that could be achieved.
>After
> > >some experimentation (and abuse by a munchkin) I've limited a
>second college
> > >to Shaping. One has to have the spells of the first College to Rk 6
>to free
> > >up the MA to be high enough to learn Shaping.
> > >
> > >~Jeffery~
> > >
> > > >I know my old campaign most likely falls into the unique category,
> > > > but towards the end of it, I had 2 mages that were close to 22
>spells
> > > > at rank 22. In my world, that was considered to have mastered the
> > > > college, at that point, a mage could pick a second collage of magic
> > > > to practice. This was a campaign I ran while in the military, and I
> > > > was lucky to have a core group of players (there were 4 core and
> > > > others that came and went as thier tours of duty took them
>elsewhere)
> > > > that lasted for the 3 plus years I ran it. We played from 10:30 pm
> > > > to 6am monday through Friday for over 3 years.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, Jason Winter <JasonWinter@...> wrote:
>
> I don't recall our shaper ever making anything really powerful. What
> he did do though was make 8 zillion piddily things that pretty much
> gave him a solution for everything. My campaign might have been a
> bit out of the ordinary in that I really let the group do whatever
> they wanted. Sure now and then something came up that required their
> immediate attention, but for the most part they did their own
> things. I would throw out a bunch of potential tidbits over the
> course of time and they picked up on what interested them and ignored
> others. Once I had an idea of where they were headed, I would flesh
> out what was required. The side effect to this was once they became
> established (keep in mind this was a long running campaign, ran over
> the course of 10 years) they would often take 1, 2, 3 years off to do
> their own things or research stuff/whatever. The shaper had plenty
> of time to create all the misc stuff they wanted.
>
>
> At 09:14 PM 7/6/2006, you wrote:
>
> >Given the time requirements to create even the most trivial items, not
> >to mention the endurance loss and skills loss, I can't see how any
> >Shaper would ever make more than a few items of any real power.
> >
> >The Shaper in my current campaign has never even made a permanent
> >magic item. Pretty much gets by on invested items and rag golems.
> >
> >But then our campaigns have always been pretty low power.
> >
> >--- In <mailto:dqn-list%40yahoogroups.com>dqn-list@yahoogroups.com,
> >Jason Winter <JasonWinter@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I had one player play a shaper, and it threw my campaign so out of
> > > whack I had to restart it with new characters and ban the shaper
as a
> > > PC class. Again, this was in a higher level campaign at that point,
> > > but he was producing so many items and had produced so many items as
> > > he advanced that it was impossible for me to get things back into
> > > control without doing something ridiculously drastic. Now it might
> > > have been my fault that I let things go that far, but at higher
> > > levels, I think the shaper is totally unbalanced.
> > >
> > >
> > > At 08:13 AM 7/5/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >In my campaign Rk 20 was the highest level that could be achieved.
> >After
> > > >some experimentation (and abuse by a munchkin) I've limited a
> >second college
> > > >to Shaping. One has to have the spells of the first College to Rk 6
> >to free
> > > >up the MA to be high enough to learn Shaping.
> > > >
> > > >~Jeffery~
> > > >
> > > > >I know my old campaign most likely falls into the unique
category,
> > > > > but towards the end of it, I had 2 mages that were close to 22
> >spells
> > > > > at rank 22. In my world, that was considered to have
mastered the
> > > > > college, at that point, a mage could pick a second collage
of magic
> > > > > to practice. This was a campaign I ran while in the
military, and I
> > > > > was lucky to have a core group of players (there were 4 core and
> > > > > others that came and went as thier tours of duty took them
> >elsewhere)
> > > > > that lasted for the 3 plus years I ran it. We played from
10:30 pm
> > > > > to 6am monday through Friday for over 3 years.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

> Even after all this, there are Powerful items that
> every Shaper deem worth a year and 7 Endurance to
> construct: +9 Endurance (shaping index = 2500
> [1×500+{8×250}], +10 Fatigue (shaping index = 2500
> [10×250], +25 PC (shaping index = 1900 [1×100+{24×75}]).

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, "dennisnordling" <d.nordling@...> wrote:
>
> Our world has been running sense 1981, and it is true that given time
> a Shaper can (given time) unbalance a world. However, there are a few
> things that can be done to put a halt (or at least limit) the problem.
>
> - Be specific on what can and cannot have investments placed on them.
> And the "3rd edition" rules removing the ability of the
> common "Investment Ritual" being able to do anything other than
> recharge was a good thing, to help restrict the problem. Our group
> went one step further and now requires that only specifically shaped
> items crafted to receive Investments are suitable. Not even Shapers
> can just grab any old item and invest something into it.
>
> - if you don't allow the "Ritual of Binding Investments" the worst
> abuses can be limited. Having a Wand with infinite fireballs is very
> much a bad thing. We altered this Ritual significantly. Our version of
> this ritual requires the wielder to pay the FT cost as if they are the
> originating caster. And only shaped items specifically created for
> being used with this Ritual can be made.
>
> - There were not restriction about what items can be shaped.
> Unfortunately, the game left a few glaring holes about this. For a
> while there were alot of copper farthings in our world with permanent
> spells upon them (this made the SP cost of the items almost free). As
> an example, having spells of Enhancing Armor, Enhancing Weapons,
> Detect Enchantment as wells as many very useful spells from other
> colleges flood into a world causes unbalancing. While make a magical
> Two-Handed Sword when a dagger can do almost as well. Our group
> instigated a flat rate charge. Now, at least there are a variety of
> magical items instead of copper farthings everywhere.
>
> - Hold firm to the permenant items only effecting the user. (We added
> the addition of those items upon his/her person, and if the item is
> that grants the effect is removed from the person the effect drops.
> This removes the temptation of passing around an item of invisability
> so everyone is Invisable.) We changed many things in the shaper
> college to reflect certain concepts. Permanently shaped items with a
> spell that enhances armor Must be placed upon the armor; spells that
> effect weapons must be placed upon weapons, etc... Wands, rods and
> staffs are ideal as Invested items. We now force Shapers to follow
> some logic upon their created items. Otherwise the SP cost are doubled.
>
> - Make the Shaper Workshop as expensive as it is intented in the book.
> And if you allow a player to rent such a shop, make the rental
> outragious. This makes for a difficult hurdle for the casual shaper to
> overcome.
>
> - Consider that finding a mage with a powerful spell at a high rank
> might be difficult in itself. Getting that mage to dedicate the time
> necessary to make a powerful item might be even harder and more
> expensive than the player can afford. And even with Invested Items,
> not every mage will be thrilled at the concept of having items out
> there that duplicate their power to the undeserving. It is even
> possible that such rare spells being used improperly could cause the
> authorities to blame the mage as being directly responsible for
> illegal acts.
>
> - The scaling of the "Magical Item Construction Chart" makes certain
> items with a shaping index of 300 or less cost no Endurance. We
> changed the basic formula for spells to read instead: ShapingIndex =
> Spell Multiplier + (5 percent per Rank with the spell). Now rank 20
> spells cost more to make than Rank 0, we prefer this to the book
> version.
>
> Even after all this, there are Powerful items that every Shaper deem
> worth a year and 7 Endurance to construct: +9 Endurance (shaping index
> = 2500 [1×500+{8×250}], +10 Fatigue (shaping index = 2500 [10×250],
> +25 PC (shaping index = 1900 [1×100+{24×75}]).
>
> It is also important to remember that the shaper Must find an
> assistant wtih the desired abilities. If the item is too powerful for
> your DQ world, it is the GM's responsibility to put a stop to the
> project (making the desired ability nearly impossible to find, or
> maybe the project requires some rare item that will require a quest).
> While it is true that this is a heavy handed way to prevent or
> restrict unbalancing items, sometimes it is just necessary.
>

> So how do y'all handle Wyvern poison. The rules say, "Base Chance of
> 45%, quick-acting poison instead of Damage, no Rank."
>
> It also says, "The wyvern's tail contains a scorpion-like sting which
> may be used to infect a target in the hex the wyvern is facing with
> poison...."
>
> But what does that mean exactly? Quick acting as in dead?
>
> In the past I've just winged it and done some amount of damage/pulse
> for some random period. Like a Scorpions sting but higher damage.
>
> What have you guys done?
>
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> I'm jumping in late, so I might be repeating an idea that has
> already been thrown out there. What if Group Magic was possible
> as a Talent. i.e. Share Mana?

> Did you really have Shapers do those kinds of investments?
>
> How in the heck do they recover from all the loss?
>
> 7 pts of endurance - gonna cost them 17,500 xp and 7 adventures
> (1 pt after each one) to restore it. That would be a lot of
> real world and game world time. And taking a strict
> interpretation of the rules they would have to buy back a
> couple points of Fatigue as well.
>
> A year shaping also means a loss of 4 ranks in all skills.
> Let's say the mage has to be Adventurer ranked to even
> consider it. We're talking a minimum 100K xp or more to
> re-earn and they would have to do so at their now reduced
> status of Adventurer or possibly even Mercenary. At Adventurer
> lvl xp rewards that's 40 or more adventures plus a lot of
> down time retraining. The character would probably end
> up aging 10 years or more.
>
> For the XP costs to restore your skills you could have bought 10

> in End, Fat & Per and had a ton of points left over.

> Anyone know of a site where I can download the first edition rules?
>

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, "dennisnordling" <d.nordling@...> wrote:
>
> > Did you really have Shapers do those kinds of investments?
> >
> > How in the heck do they recover from all the loss?
> >
> > 7 pts of endurance - gonna cost them 17,500 xp and 7 adventures
> > (1 pt after each one) to restore it. That would be a lot of
> > real world and game world time. And taking a strict
> > interpretation of the rules they would have to buy back a
> > couple points of Fatigue as well.
> >
> > A year shaping also means a loss of 4 ranks in all skills.
> > Let's say the mage has to be Adventurer ranked to even
> > consider it. We're talking a minimum 100K xp or more to
> > re-earn and they would have to do so at their now reduced
> > status of Adventurer or possibly even Mercenary. At Adventurer
> > lvl xp rewards that's 40 or more adventures plus a lot of
> > down time retraining. The character would probably end
> > up aging 10 years or more.
> >
> > For the XP costs to restore your skills you could have bought 10
> pts
> > in End, Fat & Per and had a ton of points left over.
>
>
> Yes, so far one of the items was made (as a Money belt with +7
> Endurance and Warded by MA). Full recovery of Endurance took 8
> sessions, and the skills a little longer after that.
>
> The whole thing would not have been possible if Amn had not also
> been a Merchant Rank 9; financing such a project is much harder than
> playing 8 sessions to recover Endurance. The cost to create the
> money belt was harsh. The workshop (Rank 12 cost 101,000 and 10,100
> sp was expended from the workshop while performing this ritual. The
> actual ritual cost 20,000sp (cothing cost multiple was 20; the index
> cost multiple was 100; and our group has a flat 10sp base cost). No
> special assistants were necessary. That makes a total cost of
> 30,100sp.
>
> It is important to note that the character "Amn" was (and still
> remains) a hero class character when this item was created; and it
> took almost a decade of the Real World to get him to where he is
> now.
>
> Before the rituals were attempted Amn had a EN of 23 and a FT of 19
> (Amn started with a EN of 11). The character had planned to for a
> very long time so that no excess FT would be lost. At the hero level
> the base XP for 5 hours of play is 1500 experience, and with party
> success and 10% roleplay bonus 2500 experience is not that hard to
> replace. Because his starting EN was 11, repaying for the first
> point of EN is not necessary.
>
> With the daily 8 hours to eat and sleep, and the addition 2 hours
> per day to perform other tasks. Training throughout a month can be
> managed. During a 28 day month (all the months in our world have 28
> days) 7 skills can be practiced without loosing rank. Talents,
> spells and rituals in our world need not be practiced because with
> the problem of maintaining 29 talents, spells or rituals would
> become imposible.
>
> His skills were:
>
> LANGUAGE SKILLS PRACTICE: Spk/RD&Wr Common(9/9), Spk/RD&Wr Elven
> (7/7), Spk/RD&Wr Dwarven(6/7), and Spk Orc(1)
> (these can be practiced while working on the project. Notes taking,
> speaking to various assistants, and cursing in Orcish)
>
> WEAPONS SKILLS PRACTICE: Hand&Half(7).
> (No practice was performed with Dagger(4), Quarterstaff(4), Rock(1),
> Grenado(4), LongBow(4), Throwing Dart(4), Unarmed(5) and Shield(3)
>
> ADVENTURE SKILLS PRACTICED: Horsemanship(8)
> (Practice in Stealth(2) was maintained while moving in the workshop).
>
> MAJOR SKILLS PRACTISED: Alchemist(9), Healer(4), Mechanician(6),
> Merchant(10), Navigator(6)
> (No practice was performed with Ranger(3))
>
> Yes. He lost Skill levels. But not ones that were critical to him
> any more or could not be recovered if desired.
>
> Amn has created an Enchanted Weapon (with the Rank 20 Spell of
> Enchancing Weapons) and has also created Enchanted Armor (Rank 20
> spell of Enhancing Armor). However, it is far cheaper and more
> convienient to do this with an Invested Item.
>
> One of the most dangerous items to a DQ world are enchanted items
> with Resist Pain. This can overbalance the game and should NEVER be
> sold for anything other than outragious. Once everyone has Resist
> Pain there is no more stunning.
>
>
> In time he will most likely make the +25 PC item. Nothing like
> having an additional +25 to initative rolls!
>

> 2a. Wyvern poison
> Posted by: "darkislephil" darkislephil@yahoo.com
> darkislephil
> Date: Fri Jul 7, 2006 10:34 pm (PDT)
>
> So how do y'all handle Wyvern poison. The rules
> say, "Base Chance of
> 45%, quick-acting poison instead of Damage, no
> Rank."
>
> It also says, "The wyvern's tail contains a
> scorpion-like sting which
> may be used to infect a target in the hex the wyvern
> is facing with
> poison...."
>
> But what does that mean exactly? Quick acting as in
> dead?
>
> In the past I've just winged it and done some amount
> of damage/pulse
> for some random period. Like a Scorpions sting but
> higher damage.
>
> What have you guys done?

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, Mark D <shadow_weaver13@...> wrote:
>
> My groups have done the 'quick acting poison' as a
> death poison that takes affect at the end of the next
> pulse...die if you fail your endurance roll.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> > 2a. Wyvern poison
> > Posted by: "darkislephil" darkislephil@...
> > darkislephil
> > Date: Fri Jul 7, 2006 10:34 pm (PDT)
> >
> > So how do y'all handle Wyvern poison. The rules
> > say, "Base Chance of
> > 45%, quick-acting poison instead of Damage, no
> > Rank."
> >
> > It also says, "The wyvern's tail contains a
> > scorpion-like sting which
> > may be used to infect a target in the hex the wyvern
> > is facing with
> > poison...."
> >
> > But what does that mean exactly? Quick acting as in
> > dead?
> >
> > In the past I've just winged it and done some amount
> > of damage/pulse
> > for some random period. Like a Scorpions sting but
> > higher damage.
> >
> > What have you guys done?
>
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--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, "rthorm" <rthorm@...> wrote:
>
> The DragonQuest completist in me is looking for every last article
> that was published about DQ when it was in print. To that end,
> there's an article I've seen reference to that I've never seen, and I
> was wondering if anyone had a copy of it that could be shared or
> copied or scanned. The article is "Priests & Paladins for
> DragonQuest" from Multiverse Magazine (Issue 2, Spring 1984).
>
> If anyone can turn up a copy, I'd very much like to get it in a form
> that could be shared with the DQ community in general.
>
> Rodger
>

>
>
> Just thought this list would like to hear the good news... (and slay
> me if this is off-topic)
>
> A new DragonQuest game has started in Melbourne, Australia.
>
> It is using the DQ 2nd Ed Revised v2.19 rules (plus a few well
> documented changes).
>
> We're basing the game in Greg Costiyan's "Red Age of Castafon",
> popularly known from the Barbarian Kings game in Ares Issue 3.
>
> I haven't played DQ for over twenty years so I'm pretty thrilled by
> this...
>

>
> This is an example of how I cost out items:
>
> Base cost of item = 10 sp (a gold nugget. I determine the base cost
> depending on what the PC wants, but never go below 10 sp.)
> Talent of Resist Pain is 300 Exp for a Cost Factor of 5
> Amulet is a Cost Factor of 25
>

>
> I had one player play a shaper, and it threw my campaign so out of
> whack I had to restart it with new characters and ban the shaper as a
> PC class. Again, this was in a higher level campaign at that point,
> but he was producing so many items and had produced so many items as
> he advanced that it was impossible for me to get things back into
> control without doing something ridiculously drastic. Now it might
> have been my fault that I let things go that far, but at higher
> levels, I think the shaper is totally unbalanced.
>
>

> The Shaping rules our group used came from the DQ/DnD
> crossover module The Shattered Statue. At first we
> thought there was an editing problem in that there
> was no ritual for binding Mind Magics into a shaped
> item. The first time, however, that someone decided
> to try to purchase a cheap item with the Resist Pain
> talent, we decided that the designers probably left
> it out on purpose.
>

>
> > The Shaping rules our group used came from the DQ/DnD
> > crossover module The Shattered Statue. At first we
> > thought there was an editing problem in that there
> > was no ritual for binding Mind Magics into a shaped
> > item. The first time, however, that someone decided
> > to try to purchase a cheap item with the Resist Pain
> > talent, we decided that the designers probably left
> > it out on purpose.
> >
> If it was intentional or typo is uncertain. However,
> in the third edition they did put the binding Mind
> Magics into the Shaping College.
>
> There are many useful talents and spells that might
> offer play unbalance in one fashion or another when
> put into a shaper item; but the very nature of
> placing talents and spells into items for all to
> use will almost always have that effect. The GM can
> control the rarity of such items either by cost or
> availability of mages willing to help in the creation
> of such items.
>
> Imagine if a GM allowed the following into a single
> item:
> - Talent of Communication with Lesser Beasts (150)
> - Spell of Communication with Fantastical Beast (300)
> - Spell of Communication with Greater Sentients (150)
>
> Might not such an item offer the player so many ways
> to enquire of almost every creature they meet, for any
> information that the player might be seeking? Or if
> two such items with just the Communication with Greater
> Sentients, could these not function as silent cell
> phones?
>

>
> Surely someone has converted the Barbarian Kings
> world
> (Ares, issue 3, July 1980) to DragonQuest.
>
> Tell me before I start working on it as a crazy
> idea...
>

> Hi all,
>
> Just wanted to comment how I enjoyed reading that
> account.
>
> Though I still haven't got the chance to play a
> *pure* DQ campaign, I
> hold the system and the many settings very dearly.
>
> If there's interest in it, I am willing to offer a
> DragonQuest PbP some
> time in the future.
>
> Yours,
>
> Rafael

>Hi Lev,
>
>To publish a new DQ-related roleplaying supplement would indeed

>
>Maybe, though this would be just an idle dream, the whoel DQ

>purchased from WotC...
>
>*Dreams* :-)
>
>PbP means *Play by Post*, and means email or forum-based gaming.

>hobby of me, and I am hosting several games already.
>
>A DQ one will be only a matter of time. :-)
>
>Yours,
>
>Rafael
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

> Rafael,
>
> The purchase and re-release of DQ is a dream many of
> us share.
> In fact, quite a few of us have made inquiries and
> out right
> offers to TSR/WotC/Hasbro over the years. The
> answer, sadly, is
> always the same... "Thanks, but we're not
> interested in selling,
> renting, leasing, or licensing that product now or
> in the
> future." *sigh*
>
> But, yes, it is nice to dream that particular dream,
> isn't it?
> Ciao!
> Jim
>
> --- Original Message ---
> From: Rafael <rafael.ganryu@web.de>
> To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DQN-list] Re: Red Age of Castofan (was Re:
> It *must*
> have been done before,
>
> >Hi Lev,
> >
> >To publish a new DQ-related roleplaying supplement
> would indeed
> be amazing!
> >
> >Maybe, though this would be just an idle dream, the
> whoel DQ
> license be
> >purchased from WotC...
> >
> >*Dreams* :-)
> >
> >PbP means *Play by Post*, and means email or
> forum-based gaming.
> It's a
> >hobby of me, and I am hosting several games
> already.
> >
> >A DQ one will be only a matter of time. :-)
> >
> >Yours,
> >
> >Rafael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ---------
> "A bone to the dog is not charity.
> Charity is a bone to the dog, when you are just as
> hungry as the dog."
>
> --Jack London
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

>
> PbP means *Play by Post*, and means email or forum-based gaming. It's a
> hobby of me, and I am hosting several games already.
>
> A DQ one will be only a matter of time. :-)
>
> Yours,
>
> Rafael
>

> thought DQ was the best fantasy RPG out there and
> would love to play in any
> PbP games if you have any places spare..........
>
>
> Lee
>
>
> >
> > PbP means *Play by Post*, and means email or
> forum-based gaming. It's a
> > hobby of me, and I am hosting several games
> already.
> >
> > A DQ one will be only a matter of time. :-)
> >
> > Yours,
> >
> > Rafael
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

> Hi again,
>
> Sorry for the late reply - had the flu...
>
> So, are there any concrete plans of publishign
> DQ-related stuff in the
> forseeable future? Even *almost* DQ-material,
> likewise to what Troll
> Lord Games did to 1e AD&D with "Castles and
> Crusades"?
>
> BTW, do you know about OSRIC? - That's basically a
> 1e AD&D-SRD. Maybe
> one could do the same with DQ?
>
> As to the PbP, I think I'll launch it some time next
> spring - I am
> already DMing a couple of games for D&D, so one more
> should not hurt.
>
> - Just to busy with the university right now...
>
> (Right, I am a student, 24 years old, and I play DQ!
> The legacy
> continues... ;-) )
>
> Yours,
>
> Rafael
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, Lev Lafayette <lev_lafayette@...> wrote:
>
>
> OK, now is a good as time as any to come out.
>
> I am writing a new edition of DQ which will include
> the Barbarian Kings world. I've been given the thumbs
> up from Jolly Roger Games to go ahead.
>
> It will be "sufficiently different" to justify calling
> it a new edition but it will also be "sufficiently
> equivalent" to consider it the same game.
>
> Here's the current table of contents
>
> Red Age Role Playing Game
>
> Table of Contents.
>
> 1.0 The World of Hypastia
> 1.1 Cosmology and The Planet
> 1.2 Geography and Weather
> 1.3 Flora and Fauna
> 1.4 History and Society
>
> 2.0 The Red Age of Castofan
> 2.1 Kings, Wizards and Heroes
> 2.2 Nations and Alliances
> 2.3 Peace or Destruction?
>
> 3.0 Character Creation
> 3.1 Birthrights and Heritage
> 3.2 Characteristics
> 3.3 Skills
> 3.4 Experience
>
> 4.0 Magic
> 4.1 Definition and Use
> 4.2 Thaumaturgy
> 4.3 Elemental Magic
> 4.3 Entity Magic
>
> 5.0 Character Activity
> 5.1 Standard Actions
> 5.2 Combat Actions
>
> 6.0 Bestiary
> 6.1 Flora
> 6.2 Fauna
> 6.3 Monsters
>
> 7.0 GameMaster Tasks
> 7.1 Story Construction
> 7.2 Gameplay
>
> 8.0 Reference
> 8.1 Red Age Summary
> 8.2 Equipment Tables
> 8.3 Combat Tables
> 8.4 Adventure Sheets
> 8.5 Character Sheet
>
>
>
> --- Rafael <rafael.ganryu@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi again,
> >
> > Sorry for the late reply - had the flu...
> >
> > So, are there any concrete plans of publishign
> > DQ-related stuff in the
> > forseeable future? Even *almost* DQ-material,
> > likewise to what Troll
> > Lord Games did to 1e AD&D with "Castles and
> > Crusades"?
> >
> > BTW, do you know about OSRIC? - That's basically a
> > 1e AD&D-SRD. Maybe
> > one could do the same with DQ?
> >
> > As to the PbP, I think I'll launch it some time next
> > spring - I am
> > already DMing a couple of games for D&D, so one more
> > should not hurt.
> >
> > - Just to busy with the university right now...
> >
> > (Right, I am a student, 24 years old, and I play DQ!
> > The legacy
> > continues... ;-) )
> >
> > Yours,
> >
> > Rafael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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> Any time table for when this might get published?
>
> Bill
>
> --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, Lev Lafayette
> <lev_lafayette@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > OK, now is a good as time as any to come out.
> >
> > I am writing a new edition of DQ which will
> include
> > the Barbarian Kings world. I've been given the
> thumbs
> > up from Jolly Roger Games to go ahead.
> >
> > It will be "sufficiently different" to justify
> calling
> > it a new edition but it will also be "sufficiently
> > equivalent" to consider it the same game.
> >
> > Here's the current table of contents
> >
> > Red Age Role Playing Game
> >
> > Table of Contents.
> >
> > 1.0 The World of Hypastia
> > 1.1 Cosmology and The Planet
> > 1.2 Geography and Weather
> > 1.3 Flora and Fauna
> > 1.4 History and Society
> >
> > 2.0 The Red Age of Castofan
> > 2.1 Kings, Wizards and Heroes
> > 2.2 Nations and Alliances
> > 2.3 Peace or Destruction?
> >
> > 3.0 Character Creation
> > 3.1 Birthrights and Heritage
> > 3.2 Characteristics
> > 3.3 Skills
> > 3.4 Experience
> >
> > 4.0 Magic
> > 4.1 Definition and Use
> > 4.2 Thaumaturgy
> > 4.3 Elemental Magic
> > 4.3 Entity Magic
> >
> > 5.0 Character Activity
> > 5.1 Standard Actions
> > 5.2 Combat Actions
> >
> > 6.0 Bestiary
> > 6.1 Flora
> > 6.2 Fauna
> > 6.3 Monsters
> >
> > 7.0 GameMaster Tasks
> > 7.1 Story Construction
> > 7.2 Gameplay
> >
> > 8.0 Reference
> > 8.1 Red Age Summary
> > 8.2 Equipment Tables
> > 8.3 Combat Tables
> > 8.4 Adventure Sheets
> > 8.5 Character Sheet
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Rafael <rafael.ganryu@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi again,
> > >
> > > Sorry for the late reply - had the flu...
> > >
> > > So, are there any concrete plans of publishign
> > > DQ-related stuff in the
> > > forseeable future? Even *almost* DQ-material,
> > > likewise to what Troll
> > > Lord Games did to 1e AD&D with "Castles and
> > > Crusades"?
> > >
> > > BTW, do you know about OSRIC? - That's basically
> a
> > > 1e AD&D-SRD. Maybe
> > > one could do the same with DQ?
> > >
> > > As to the PbP, I think I'll launch it some time
> next
> > > spring - I am
> > > already DMing a couple of games for D&D, so one
> more
> > > should not hurt.
> > >
> > > - Just to busy with the university right now...
> > >
> > > (Right, I am a student, 24 years old, and I play
> DQ!
> > > The legacy
> > > continues... ;-) )
> > >
> > > Yours,
> > >
> > > Rafael
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

> > Sponsored Link
> >
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>
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>
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>
>

>
> OK, now is a good as time as any to come out.
>
> I am writing a new edition of DQ which will include
> the Barbarian Kings world. I've been given the thumbs
> up from Jolly Roger Games to go ahead.

> On 16/11/06, Lev Lafayette
> <lev_lafayette@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > OK, now is a good as time as any to come out.
> >
> > I am writing a new edition of DQ which will
> include
> > the Barbarian Kings world. I've been given the
> thumbs
> > up from Jolly Roger Games to go ahead.
>
> Hmm! This is Jolly Roger Games of "Swashbuckler",
> "Victory and
> Honour", "Dynasties", and "Four Dragons"?
>
> They've secured the rights from Hasbro?
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "The Taylors"
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [DQN-list] Re: Red Age of Castofan (was Re: It *must* have been
done before,


> thought DQ was the best fantasy RPG out there and would love to play in
any
> PbP games if you have any places spare..........

I'm actually currently running several DQ games by post (or
PbEM---play-by-email); the number depends on how busy the various members
are. Those groups are full. I would be willing to run another game,
though.

The only hesitation would be, my husband (Jeffery), also on this list, tried
to start a PbEM of DQ recently, but after characters were all drawn up and
the setting was described and so forth, not many people made the necessary
commitment to keep the game going and it petered out rather quickly. To
that end, I require 2 posts per week minimum from each player. There are
some house rules, which I'll describe in full. Also, I'd give extra XP at
generation, so no one would have to play a baby-beginning character, which,
frankly, aren't much fun to play.

Interested parties can contact my personal email: r.mcg@comcast.net If
there's enough interest, I would start the set up by this Sunday or Monday
(not before, as I'll be at OryCon through the weekend.)

--Rachel McGonagill
http://www.journalscape.com/rachelmcg

> --- Viktor Haag <viktor.haag@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>On 16/11/06, Lev Lafayette
>><lev_lafayette@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>OK, now is a good as time as any to come out.
>>>
>>>I am writing a new edition of DQ which will
>>
>>include
>>
>>>the Barbarian Kings world. I've been given the
>>
>>thumbs
>>
>>>up from Jolly Roger Games to go ahead.
>>
>>Hmm! This is Jolly Roger Games of "Swashbuckler",
>>"Victory and
>>Honour", "Dynasties", and "Four Dragons"?
>>
>>They've secured the rights from Hasbro?
>>
>
>
> Hasbro, or rather WoTC, abandoned the TM for
> DragonQuest several years ago. However this game will
> be tied into the Barbarian Kings world as indicated by
> the thread (heck, it's even got the same font,
> verdade?). As mentioned it will "sufficiently" the
> same to be considered a new edition but "sufficiently"
> different not to get us into any legal trouble.
>