> I was wondering, what races do you typically allow in your DQ game? Do
> you just use the ones in the book? Did anyone add the ones from Ares
> #12 (Half-Elf and Lizardman)? What about homebrew races? Finally, do
> you follow the rule that says to be a non-human you have to roll for a
> chance to be that race?
>
> I ask the last question because I have a rather power-hungry/munchkiny
> player in my group who I know would instantly pick either giant or
> shape changer, given the chance. He would also, I am sure, totally
> distort the racial concept, but that's a whole different story.
>
> Stephen Miller
> Ancient Gamer and Curmudgeon

> I have allowed the Half-elf, Suarime race and have even had both a
> Satyr and a half-troll in the past. (The latter came about from

> the Central Casting: Heroes of Legend book.)
>
> Pretty much have always required rolling for race.
>
> Welcome to the group.
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Miller"
> <curmudgeon.gamer@g...> wrote:
> > I was wondering, what races do you typically allow in your DQ

> > you just use the ones in the book? Did anyone add the ones from

> > #12 (Half-Elf and Lizardman)? What about homebrew races?

> > you follow the rule that says to be a non-human you have to roll

> > chance to be that race?
> >
> > I ask the last question because I have a rather power-

> > player in my group who I know would instantly pick either giant

> > shape changer, given the chance. He would also, I am sure,

> > distort the racial concept, but that's a whole different story.
> >
> > Stephen Miller
> > Ancient Gamer and Curmudgeon

> As long-time gamers, we all tend to do this: pour over the game
> books, and try to get the best numbers for the greatest advantage.
> Unfortuantely, this tends to take the mystery out of the game (esp
> when we know everything about the monsters and then take part as
> players). This takes the "role-play" out of role-playing.

> As long-time gamers, we all tend to do this: pour over the game
> books, and try to get the best numbers for the greatest advantage.
> Unfortuantely, this tends to take the mystery out of the game (esp
> when we know everything about the monsters and then take part as
> players). This takes the "role-play" out of role-playing.

> My point is the players did a wonderful job
> role-playing characters that had
> encountered a Spectre for the first time, though the
> players knew that their
> best option would have been to stand at a distance
> and throw spells at it or
> enchanted ranged weapons.
>
> ~Jeffery~

>Trying to think of a 'short term' to express the following:
>
>In the rules chance to hit in combat is SC (strike chance) and of doing a
>skill, spell, anything is BC (base chance). Adding in various bonuses etc
>can generate a modified SC/BC (so a MSC or MBC). thinking off a snappy term
>to express when the dice roll, when rolled against the above MBC is at the
>15% or 5% level, which in combat yields a END strike or Grevious (and with
>spells doubles or triples effect), but for a skill for example. What should
>i term it when someone rolls <15% or <5% for a skill, which may mean they
>yield extra from that skill??

> Trying to think of a 'short term' to express the following:

> If you're interested in new materials, check out what we've got in

> files section of this group and the files section of the DQ-rules

> I don't remember if I posted the extensively reworked and expanded
> Weapons & Armor table and the new Aspects table in both this group

> DQ-Rules, but I have a hunch you might find those worthwhile

>Thanks for the tip on reading these. I checked them out and found
>them quite interesting. There are, as you might imagine, areas where
>I disagree with where you went. With regard to the Aspect material,
>it is more of a personal taste thing than anything else.
>

>With the
>weapons and armor, however, I think I find some of the logic and/or
>reference material a bit flawed.
>
>

>To justify my comments, let me say that I am a collector of antique
>weapons and armor, with a BA in Archaeology, specializing in English
>history from AD 400 to AD 1200. I own a number of examples of the
>weapons and armor used in the Compiled Weapons and Armor Table, so I
>have a fairly unique view of them.
>
>

><snip expertise>
>
>That's enough for now, really. I realized that I was going to break
>into lecture mode, and that is not a good thing. :-)
>
>

>Still, all and all, a monumental piece of work, and worthy of
>congratulations.
>
>

> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:34:21 -0700
> From: "Jeffery K. McGonagill" <igmod@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Re: Player Races... even Gnomes..
>
>
> > As long-time gamers, we all tend to do this: pour
> over the game
> > books, and try to get the best numbers for the
> greatest advantage.
> > Unfortuantely, this tends to take the mystery out
> of the game (esp
> > when we know everything about the monsters and
> then take part as
> > players). This takes the "role-play" out of
> role-playing.
>
> Just ran an adventure where the characters of
> experienced players ran into a
> spectre for the first time. Korensa (Female Elf)
> successfully cast Harming
> Entity (doubled effected, duration) upon it, then
> followed up with
> Fire&Brimstone regularly, eventually suffering
> Amnesia; her familiar cast
> Enhance Enchantment, Quickness and Slow
> (appropriately). Jonah (Male Elf),
> ran up and hit it with his magical mace, suffering
> 11 pts from life drain.
> When he recovered from Stun he backed off, and
> unsuccessfly cast various
> illusions, eventually suffering Deafness . Astolfo
> (Male Elf) having just
> rounded the area of darkness (Spectre cast), ran up
> and hit the Spectre with
> the sword he had enchanted (routine for him) and
> suffered 12 pts from life
> drain. When he recovered, he backed off, enchanted
> his dagger and threw it
> at the Spectre; then looked around for something
> else to throw and enchanted
> a rock, threw it at the Spectre just as it recovered
> from the Harming
> Entity, taking out the remaining 5 endurance of the
> Spectre. The battle
> lasted 14 pulses.
>
> My point is the players did a wonderful job
> role-playing characters that had
> encountered a Spectre for the first time, though the
> players knew that their
> best option would have been to stand at a distance
> and throw spells at it or
> enchanted ranged weapons.
>
> ~Jeffery~

> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:06:59 +0100
> From: "Davis, John R" <jrda@bgs.ac.uk>
> Subject: DQ Term
>
> Hi
>
> Trying to think of a 'short term' to express the
> following:
>
> In the rules chance to hit in combat is SC (strike
> chance) and of doing a skill, spell, anything is BC
> (base chance). Adding in various bonuses etc can
> generate a modified SC/BC (so a MSC or MBC).
> thinking off a snappy term to express when the dice
> roll, when rolled against the above MBC is at the
> 15% or 5% level, which in combat yields a END strike
> or Grevious (and with spells doubles or triples
> effect), but for a skill for example. What should i
> term it when someone rolls <15% or <5% for a skill,
> which may mean they yield extra from that skill??
>
> hope that makes sense.
>
> JohnD

> It was unclear to me based upon reading your anecdote.
> Do you mean to say that they ran up to attack the
> spectre and then the spectre struck each of them for a
> lifedrain attack or did the lifedrain attack channel
> thru their own magic weapons merely because they
> struck the Spectre??

>It was unclear to me based upon reading your anecdote.
>Do you mean to say that they ran up to attack the
>spectre and then the spectre struck each of them for a
>lifedrain attack or did the lifedrain attack channel
>thru their own magic weapons merely because they
>struck the Spectre??

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, "Davis, John R" <jrda@b...> wrote:
>
>
> see this is what im struggling with. If I can ace a spell or combat
strike surely I should be to do the same for a skill if they is how
my character goes? If a spellcaster can roll 07 and gain a benefit,
surely a merchant or ranger should?
>
> John
>
>
> I don't believe that skills have critical failures nor
> critical successes. If your skill % is 100% and you
> roll "99", it should still work. Likewise, "01" would
> merely be a success. That being said, you can in your
> infinite wisdom as GM institute critical failures and
> critical successes, but since their is no backfire or
> similar effect really possible for most skill
> applications I would limit the addition to cover skill
> checks under 5% or skill chance. I would just call
> this under 5% rule "critical success" and would
> suggest it have additional benefits such as reduced
> time to perform task, etc.
>
> and "01" and "02" should be successes even if they
> don't have a positive chance for something to succeed.
>
>
> Mark
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> Do you *really* expect that I'm going to start
> arguing with you? No thank you, I do *not* fancy getting

> napalmed and barbecued into oblivion. ;-)

> >Still, all and all, a monumental piece of work, and worthy of
> >congratulations.
>
> Thank you! If you'd like to help me out and improve it into

> that doesn't have half of its numbers pulled out of the nearest

> (or more properly, you) could probably get the biggest mistakes

> kinks ironed out in relatively short order due to your knowledge.

> Your in depth commentary was most welcome, and I
> deeply appreciate it. :-)

>After reading the Edi's fine compilation of weapons, and in the
>process of preparing to run a DQ game for the first time in years,
>I've been reading the weapon charts most carefully. One thing I
>have noticed is the exaggerated weight of many of the weapons listed.
>
>To give an idea of what swords would typically weigh, let me give you
>the following quote. As leading sword expert Ewart Oakeshott
>unequivocally stated: "Medieval Swords are neither unwieldably heavy
>nor all alike - the average weight of any one of normal size is
>between 2.5 lb. and 3.5 lbs. Even the big hand-and-a-half 'war' swords
>rarely weigh more than 4.5 lbs. Such weights, to men who were trained
>to use the sword from the age of seven (and who had to be tough
>specimens to survive that age) , were by no means too great to be
>practical."(Oakeshott, Sword in Hand, p. 13). Oakeshott, the 20th
>century's leading author and researcher of European swords would
>certainly know. He had handled thousands of swords in his lifetime and
>at one time or another personally owned dozens of the finest examples
>ranging from the Bronze Age to the 19th century.*
>
>Looking at just the swords from 2nd Edition DQ, we find that of the 11
>swords listed, only 3 weigh less than 3 pounds (estoc, rapier, and
>short sword). The hand-and-a-half weighs a staggering 6 pounds, and
>the two-handed sword tops the scale at 9 pounds!
>
>Science tells us that carbon steel, the material used to make swords,
>has a density of roughly 0.284 pounds per cubic inch. Knowing that
>the two handed sword weighs (according to DQ) 9 pounds, we can figure
>out how thick the blade would be, and we can show how absurd this
>weight really is. If we figure the length of a two-handed sword as 50
>inches (pretty average for this type of weapon) and a blade width
>averaging 2 inches (again, well inside the historical average), using
>a simple volume formula (V=L x W x H), we find that the 9 pound blade
>(31.69 cubic inches) would have to be (31.69 = 50 x 2 x H, 31.69 = 100
>x H, so H = 0.3169 inches. The average thickness of a historical
>sword of this type would be around 1/8-inch, or 0.125 inches. So our
>9 pound sword is about 2.5 times as thick as it really would be!
>Using our averages from historical weapons, we find the volume of the
>sword would be (V = 50 x 2 x 0.125) or V = 12.5 cubic inches. Since
>carbon steel is roughly 0.284 pounds per cubic inch, we see that the
>sword should weigh about 3.55 pounds.
>
>Even if we went to a 72-inch length, which is about as long as a
>practical two-handed sword can get, we see that it should weigh just
>over 5 pounds. That being the case, I think we can rationally say
>that the weights for swords in DQ are just a tad too heavy! A quick
>and dirty solution would be to take the weight of all the swords and
>cut them in half. This might make a few of them a little lighter than
>they should be, but better that then an unwieldy monstrosity!
>
>Well, that's enough lecturing for today. Besides, this took up my
>lunch hour and now I need to get back to work.
>
>Stephen Miller
>Ancient Gamer and Curmudgeon
>
>* I can highly recommend the website of The Association of Renaissance
>Martial Arts. They are at www.thearma.org and have a number of
>delightfully informative articles on weapons and how to use them,
>along with a very useful bibliography.
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> Thank you for these two informative posts. I think I'll be taking the
> quick and dirty route you suggest, because it will be the easiest and
> will result in numbers that are "good enough" for role playing

> I'm not running any DQ games at the moment, so updating the W&A

> not a very high priority for me. But rest assured that everything you
> have suggested is going to get implemented. Having expert help like
> yours is extremely welcome. :-)
>
> Edi
>
> -------------
>
> Stephen Miller wrote:
>
> >After reading the Edi's fine compilation of weapons, and in the
> >process of preparing to run a DQ game for the first time in years,
> >I've been reading the weapon charts most carefully. One thing I
> >have noticed is the exaggerated weight of many of the weapons listed.
> >
> >To give an idea of what swords would typically weigh, let me give you
> >the following quote. As leading sword expert Ewart Oakeshott
> >unequivocally stated: "Medieval Swords are neither unwieldably heavy
> >nor all alike - the average weight of any one of normal size is
> >between 2.5 lb. and 3.5 lbs. Even the big hand-and-a-half 'war' swords
> >rarely weigh more than 4.5 lbs. Such weights, to men who were trained
> >to use the sword from the age of seven (and who had to be tough
> >specimens to survive that age) , were by no means too great to be
> >practical."(Oakeshott, Sword in Hand, p. 13). Oakeshott, the 20th
> >century's leading author and researcher of European swords would
> >certainly know. He had handled thousands of swords in his lifetime and
> >at one time or another personally owned dozens of the finest examples
> >ranging from the Bronze Age to the 19th century.*
> >
> >Looking at just the swords from 2nd Edition DQ, we find that of the 11
> >swords listed, only 3 weigh less than 3 pounds (estoc, rapier, and
> >short sword). The hand-and-a-half weighs a staggering 6 pounds, and
> >the two-handed sword tops the scale at 9 pounds!
> >
> >Science tells us that carbon steel, the material used to make swords,
> >has a density of roughly 0.284 pounds per cubic inch. Knowing that
> >the two handed sword weighs (according to DQ) 9 pounds, we can figure
> >out how thick the blade would be, and we can show how absurd this
> >weight really is. If we figure the length of a two-handed sword as 50
> >inches (pretty average for this type of weapon) and a blade width
> >averaging 2 inches (again, well inside the historical average), using
> >a simple volume formula (V=L x W x H), we find that the 9 pound blade
> >(31.69 cubic inches) would have to be (31.69 = 50 x 2 x H, 31.69 = 100
> >x H, so H = 0.3169 inches. The average thickness of a historical
> >sword of this type would be around 1/8-inch, or 0.125 inches. So our
> >9 pound sword is about 2.5 times as thick as it really would be!
> >Using our averages from historical weapons, we find the volume of the
> >sword would be (V = 50 x 2 x 0.125) or V = 12.5 cubic inches. Since
> >carbon steel is roughly 0.284 pounds per cubic inch, we see that the
> >sword should weigh about 3.55 pounds.
> >
> >Even if we went to a 72-inch length, which is about as long as a
> >practical two-handed sword can get, we see that it should weigh just
> >over 5 pounds. That being the case, I think we can rationally say
> >that the weights for swords in DQ are just a tad too heavy! A quick
> >and dirty solution would be to take the weight of all the swords and
> >cut them in half. This might make a few of them a little lighter than
> >they should be, but better that then an unwieldy monstrosity!
> >
> >Well, that's enough lecturing for today. Besides, this took up my
> >lunch hour and now I need to get back to work.
> >
> >Stephen Miller
> >Ancient Gamer and Curmudgeon
> >
> >* I can highly recommend the website of The Association of Renaissance
> >Martial Arts. They are at www.thearma.org and have a number of
> >delightfully informative articles on weapons and how to use them,
> >along with a very useful bibliography.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:04:32 +0000
> From: igmod@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 411: replies to
> messages 5 & 7
>
> > It was unclear to me based upon reading your
> anecdote.
> > Do you mean to say that they ran up to attack the
> > spectre and then the spectre struck each of them
> for a
> > lifedrain attack or did the lifedrain attack
> channel
> > thru their own magic weapons merely because they
> > struck the Spectre??
>
> I've always run that the various greater undead
> cause lifedrain under both conditions. But in the
> referenced anecdote, it was because the PC's struck
> the Spectre.
>
> ~Jeffery~

> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:35:01 +0100
> From: "Davis, John R" <jrda@bgs.ac.uk>
> Subject: RE: Re: Digest Number 411: replies to
> messages 5 & 7
>
>
>
> see this is what im struggling with. If I can ace a
> spell or combat strike surely I should be to do the
> same for a skill if they is how my character goes?
> If a spellcaster can roll 07 and gain a benefit,
> surely a merchant or ranger should?
>
> John

> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:22:04 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jason Honhera <albavar@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: Re: Digest Number 411: replies to
> messages 5 & 7
>
> I've never run across that interpretation. That
> would lead to a spectre inflicting as much as 20
> Endurance in one round or more! That is a death
> (and a new spectre) every pulse... nonononono I
> have always figured it was the direct flesh to
> ectoplasm contact that chilled you right to the
> soul...

> I managed to get my hands on the Wallace collection catalogue (one

> the finest collections of weaponary) and I was supprised by how

> the weapons generally were. Sadly this was from a library so it had
> to go back but I did manage to get Volume II on armour from a second
> hand shop.
>
> So I would recomend getting something similar as it has the basic
> dimensions such as weight, length, width etc for a project like this

> In comparison, skill
> checks are often referencing applied knowledge (ranger
> & merchant) or a skill check versus inanimate objects
> (lockpicking). There is little reason, IMHO, for a
> critical success (or failure).
>
> In is quite obvious to me that Mages and fighters do
> not enjoy a 15% and 5% rule without suffiecient risk
> on the other end. What reasonable critical failures
> on skill checks could you devise to compensate for the
> critical successes? I am not sure there is an
> equitable system to be used for critical success /
> failure for skill checks, IMHO.
>
> Good luck. I know that sometimes the joy is in the
> attempt.
>
> I guess the mage/warrior do take high risk, but i was thinking of

>
> Just off my head. For Woe...
> A troubador insulting mrather than entertaining the sultans daughter

> A ranger mis-reading quicksand for a heavy mineral sand
> Alchemists already have issues with failure
> Breaking a lock pick in the lock to increase the difficulty of

>
> For weal...
>
> An execellent, if politically bias retelling of a famous battle to

> double or triple effect from a potion, heal skill, trap build
> Finding the hidden meaning behind an ancient childrens bedtime story
>
> etc.

> Here is the Hero Point system and Quality Results Table from James Bond
> in pdf format.
>
> http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/dq/archive/gameplay/heropoints.pdf
>
> JohnR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of dq@johncorey.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:29 AM
> To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DQN-list] Re: Critcal Success or failure
>
> I am enjoying this conversation quite a bit. Someone on this list (I
> think it was John R) had done some work combining the James Bond and DQ
> skill check systems. In James Bond, the system had 4 categories for any
> skill check. My memory is a bit hazy, but I think they were:
> Critical Success
> Success
> Failure
> Critical Failure.
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> Here is the Hero Point system and Quality Results Table from James

> in pdf format.
>
> http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/dq/archive/gameplay/heropoints.pdf
>
> JohnR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of dq@johncorey.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:29 AM
> To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DQN-list] Re: Critcal Success or failure
>
> I am enjoying this conversation quite a bit. Someone on this list (I
> think it was John R) had done some work combining the James Bond and

> skill check systems. In James Bond, the system had 4 categories for

> skill check. My memory is a bit hazy, but I think they were:
> Critical Success
> Success
> Failure
> Critical Failure.
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

On Jul 28, 2005, at 5:18 PM, John Rauchert wrote:

> I haven't had much time lately to work on it. When I did some time
> ago I
> was looking at it more as a total system conversion, taking the skills
> and converting them into JB Base Chances.
>
> I did run a fantasy version of James Bond for awhile situated in
> Sanctuary (Thieves' World). The Chase rules worked well for a Thief
> being chased across the rooftops.
>
> JohnR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of dq@johncorey.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:30 PM
> To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [DQN-list] Re: Critcal Success or failure
>
> Thanks John R! I actually have the James Bond stuff at home. Did you
> ever do any work on a DQ conversion?
>
> John
>
>
>> Here is the Hero Point system and Quality Results Table from James
>>
> Bond
>
>> in pdf format.
>>
>> http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/dq/archive/gameplay/heropoints.pdf
>>
>> JohnR
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of dq@johncorey.com
>> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:29 AM
>> To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [DQN-list] Re: Critcal Success or failure
>>
>> I am enjoying this conversation quite a bit. Someone on this list (I
>> think it was John R) had done some work combining the James Bond and
>>
> DQ
>
>> skill check systems. In James Bond, the system had 4 categories for
>>
> any
>
>> skill check. My memory is a bit hazy, but I think they were:
>> Critical Success
>> Success
>> Failure
>> Critical Failure.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
>
>
>

> snip <
> One big problem I see with such a system is spells. If you are

> Flashfire (or is it incinerate? I can't remember) that kills instantly,
> then Hero Points could be used to throw game balance way off. But this
> could be controled by A) Controling access to special knowledge spells
> (like the rules say to do), and B) Limiting the number of Hero

> or so, and being a scrooge when handing them out.

On Jul 29, 2005, at 3:52 AM, dbarrass_2000 wrote:

> --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, dq@j... wrote:
>
>> snip <
>> One big problem I see with such a system is spells. If you are
>>
> casting a
>
>> Flashfire (or is it incinerate? I can't remember) that kills
>> instantly,
>> then Hero Points could be used to throw game balance way off. But
>> this
>> could be controled by A) Controling access to special knowledge
>> spells
>> (like the rules say to do), and B) Limiting the number of Hero
>>
> Points to 3
>
>> or so, and being a scrooge when handing them out.
>>
>
> I have to confess I'm very hazy on the points system (thanks John),
> but how about 1 hero point changes the die roll by 10, or 10
> experience points (or what ever) changes the die roll by one point (I
> guess you don't learn much by just being lucky).
>
> I may be way off what you're trying to do, if so please ignore me
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

On Jul 29, 2005, at 3:52 AM, dbarrass_2000 wrote:

> --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, dq@j... wrote:
>
>> snip <
>> One big problem I see with such a system is spells. If you are
>>
> casting a
>
>> Flashfire (or is it incinerate? I can't remember) that kills
>> instantly,
>> then Hero Points could be used to throw game balance way off. But
>> this
>> could be controled by A) Controling access to special knowledge
>> spells
>> (like the rules say to do), and B) Limiting the number of Hero
>>
> Points to 3
>
>> or so, and being a scrooge when handing them out.
>>
>
> I have to confess I'm very hazy on the points system (thanks John),
> but how about 1 hero point changes the die roll by 10, or 10
> experience points (or what ever) changes the die roll by one point (I
> guess you don't learn much by just being lucky).
>
> I may be way off what you're trying to do, if so please ignore me
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>




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On Jul 29, 2005, at 6:31 AM, Davis, John R wrote:

> Hmm.
>
> Not a great fan of action/fate points etc.
>
> Am playing in an Eberron (dnd d20) game at the moment and that
> gives you action points, where you can throw an extra dice on a bad
> roll. Not a great fan, especially when you mee the big bad end
> monster and you never miss, etc cos you can throw in extra dice to
> tip the balance...
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of J. Corey
> Sent: 29 July 2005 11:18
> To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [DQN-list] Re: Critcal Success or failure
>
>
> that might actually solve the problem. Thanks!
>
> On Jul 29, 2005, at 3:52 AM, dbarrass_2000 wrote:
>
>
>> --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, dq@j... wrote:
>>
>>
>>> snip <
>>> One big problem I see with such a system is spells. If you are
>>>
>>>
>> casting a
>>
>>
>>> Flashfire (or is it incinerate? I can't remember) that kills
>>> instantly,
>>> then Hero Points could be used to throw game balance way off. But
>>> this
>>> could be controled by A) Controling access to special knowledge
>>> spells
>>> (like the rules say to do), and B) Limiting the number of Hero
>>>
>>>
>> Points to 3
>>
>>
>>> or so, and being a scrooge when handing them out.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I have to confess I'm very hazy on the points system (thanks John),
>> but how about 1 hero point changes the die roll by 10, or 10
>> experience points (or what ever) changes the die roll by one point (I
>> guess you don't learn much by just being lucky).
>>
>> I may be way off what you're trying to do, if so please ignore me
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Well, this weekend my players will be making characters for the first
DragonQuest game I have run since the mid-1990s.  I am really looking
forward to seeing what they make!  I just hope I haven't forgotten
anything we'll need.  Let's see, I have got:
1. Character Sheets (specially designed by me, based off the original)
2. Scratch Paper
3. Character Creation Outline (a list of steps for taking the players
through the process)
4. Two copies of DragonQuest, 2nd Ed hardcover
5. Two copies of Arcane Wisdom (color cover, comb bound)
6. Pencils, pens & erasers (always amazing who forgets these)
7. Dice big enough for the GM to see (prevents certain players
cheating during the process)

I am sure I am missing something, but isn't that just typical?  I
will let you know what the results are come Monday.

Stephen Miller
Ancient Gamer and Curmudgeon

---

Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page

> Steve,
> Is there any way we can convince you to GM an email/online

> There are 10 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. RE: Re: Critcal Success or failure
> From: dq@johncorey.com
> 2. RE: Re: Critcal Success or failure
> From: John Rauchert <john.rauchert@sait.ca>
> 3. Re: Re: Critcal Success or failure
> From: "J. Corey" <dq@johncorey.com>
> 4. Re: Critcal Success or failure
> From: "dbarrass_2000" <david.barrass@ed.ac.uk>
> 5. Re: Re: Critcal Success or failure
> From: "J. Corey" <dq@johncorey.com>
> 6. RE: Re: Critcal Success or failure
> From: "Davis, John R" <jrda@bgs.ac.uk>
> 7. Re: Re: Critcal Success or failure
> From: "J. Corey" <dq@johncorey.com>
> 8. Weekend Excitement
> From: "Stephen Miller" <curmudgeon.gamer@gmail.com>
> 9. Re: Weekend Excitement
> From: Bigbadbobo@aol.com
> 10. Re: Weekend Excitement
> From: Jason Honhera <albavar@yahoo.com>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:29:58 -0400 (EDT)
> From: dq@johncorey.com
> Subject: RE: Re: Critcal Success or failure
>
> Thanks John R! I actually have the James Bond stuff at home. Did you
> ever do any work on a DQ conversion?
>
> John
>
> > Here is the Hero Point system and Quality Results Table from James Bond
> > in pdf format.
> >
> > http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/dq/archive/gameplay/heropoints.pdf
> >
> > JohnR
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of dq@johncorey.com
> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:29 AM
> > To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [DQN-list] Re: Critcal Success or failure
> >
> > I am enjoying this conversation quite a bit. Someone on this list (I
> > think it was John R) had done some work combining the James Bond and DQ
> > skill check systems. In James Bond, the system had 4 categories for any
> > skill check. My memory is a bit hazy, but I think they were:
> > Critical Success
> > Success
> > Failure
> > Critical Failure.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:18:30 -0600
> From: John Rauchert <john.rauchert@sait.ca>
> Subject: RE: Re: Critcal Success or failure
>
> I haven't had much time lately to work on it. When I did some time ago I
> was looking at it more as a total system conversion, taking the skills
> and converting them into JB Base Chances.
>
> I did run a fantasy version of James Bond for awhile situated in
> Sanctuary (Thieves' World). The Chase rules worked well for a Thief
> being chased across the rooftops.
>
> JohnR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of dq@johncorey.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:30 PM
> To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [DQN-list] Re: Critcal Success or failure
>
> Thanks John R! I actually have the James Bond stuff at home. Did you
> ever do any work on a DQ conversion?
>
> John
>
> > Here is the Hero Point system and Quality Results Table from James
> Bond
> > in pdf format.
> >
> > http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/dq/archive/gameplay/heropoints.pdf
> >
> > JohnR
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of dq@johncorey.com
> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:29 AM
> > To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [DQN-list] Re: Critcal Success or failure
> >
> > I am enjoying this conversation quite a bit. Someone on this list (I
> > think it was John R) had done some work combining the James Bond and
> DQ
> > skill check systems. In James Bond, the system had 4 categories for
> any
> > skill check. My memory is a bit hazy, but I think they were:
> > Critical Success
> > Success
> > Failure
> > Critical Failure.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:21:49 -0400
> From: "J. Corey" <dq@johncorey.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: Critcal Success or failure
>
> Interesting. I am going to look int oa total conversion
> On Jul 28, 2005, at 5:18 PM, John Rauchert wrote:
>
> > I haven't had much time lately to work on it. When I did some time
> > ago I
> > was looking at it more as a total system conversion, taking the skills
> > and converting them into JB Base Chances.
> >
> > I did run a fantasy version of James Bond for awhile situated in
> > Sanctuary (Thieves' World). The Chase rules worked well for a Thief
> > being chased across the rooftops.
> >
> > JohnR
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of dq@johncorey.com
> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:30 PM
> > To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [DQN-list] Re: Critcal Success or failure
> >
> > Thanks John R! I actually have the James Bond stuff at home. Did you
> > ever do any work on a DQ conversion?
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >> Here is the Hero Point system and Quality Results Table from James
> >>
> > Bond
> >
> >> in pdf format.
> >>
> >> http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/dq/archive/gameplay/heropoints.pdf
> >>
> >> JohnR
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com] On
> >> Behalf Of dq@johncorey.com
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:29 AM
> >> To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: [DQN-list] Re: Critcal Success or failure
> >>
> >> I am enjoying this conversation quite a bit. Someone on this list (I
> >> think it was John R) had done some work combining the James Bond and
> >>
> > DQ
> >
> >> skill check systems. In James Bond, the system had 4 categories for
> >>
> > any
> >
> >> skill check. My memory is a bit hazy, but I think they were:
> >> Critical Success
> >> Success
> >> Failure
> >> Critical Failure.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
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> >
> >
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>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:52:09 -0000
> From: "dbarrass_2000" <david.barrass@ed.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: Critcal Success or failure
>
> --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, dq@j... wrote:
> > snip <
> > One big problem I see with such a system is spells. If you are
> casting a
> > Flashfire (or is it incinerate? I can't remember) that kills instantly,
> > then Hero Points could be used to throw game balance way off. But this
> > could be controled by A) Controling access to special knowledge spells
> > (like the rules say to do), and B) Limiting the number of Hero
> Points to 3
> > or so, and being a scrooge when handing them out.
>
> I have to confess I'm very hazy on the points system (thanks John),
> but how about 1 hero point changes the die roll by 10, or 10
> experience points (or what ever) changes the die roll by one point (I
> guess you don't learn much by just being lucky).
>
> I may be way off what you're trying to do, if so please ignore me
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:17:58 -0400
> From: "J. Corey" <dq@johncorey.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: Critcal Success or failure
>
> that might actually solve the problem. Thanks!
>
> On Jul 29, 2005, at 3:52 AM, dbarrass_2000 wrote:
>
> > --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, dq@j... wrote:
> >
> >> snip <
> >> One big problem I see with such a system is spells. If you are
> >>
> > casting a
> >
> >> Flashfire (or is it incinerate? I can't remember) that kills
> >> instantly,
> >> then Hero Points could be used to throw game balance way off. But
> >> this
> >> could be controled by A) Controling access to special knowledge
> >> spells
> >> (like the rules say to do), and B) Limiting the number of Hero
> >>
> > Points to 3
> >
> >> or so, and being a scrooge when handing them out.
> >>
> >
> > I have to confess I'm very hazy on the points system (thanks John),
> > but how about 1 hero point changes the die roll by 10, or 10
> > experience points (or what ever) changes the die roll by one point (I
> > guess you don't learn much by just being lucky).
> >
> > I may be way off what you're trying to do, if so please ignore me
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:31:00 +0100
> From: "Davis, John R" <jrda@bgs.ac.uk>
> Subject: RE: Re: Critcal Success or failure
>
> Hmm.
>
> Not a great fan of action/fate points etc.
>
> Am playing in an Eberron (dnd d20) game at the moment and that gives you action points, where
> you can throw an extra dice on a bad roll. Not a great fan, especially when you mee the big bad
> end monster and you never miss, etc cos you can throw in extra dice to tip the balance...
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of J. Corey
> Sent: 29 July 2005 11:18
> To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [DQN-list] Re: Critcal Success or failure
>
>
> that might actually solve the problem. Thanks!
>
> On Jul 29, 2005, at 3:52 AM, dbarrass_2000 wrote:
>
> > --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, dq@j... wrote:
> >
> >> snip <
> >> One big problem I see with such a system is spells. If you are
> >>
> > casting a
> >
> >> Flashfire (or is it incinerate? I can't remember) that kills
> >> instantly,
> >> then Hero Points could be used to throw game balance way off. But
> >> this
> >> could be controled by A) Controling access to special knowledge
> >> spells
> >> (like the rules say to do), and B) Limiting the number of Hero
> >>
> > Points to 3
> >
> >> or so, and being a scrooge when handing them out.
> >>
> >
> > I have to confess I'm very hazy on the points system (thanks John),
> > but how about 1 hero point changes the die roll by 10, or 10
> > experience points (or what ever) changes the die roll by one point (I
> > guess you don't learn much by just being lucky).
> >
> > I may be way off what you're trying to do, if so please ignore me
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:15:13 -0400
> From: "J. Corey" <dq@johncorey.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: Critcal Success or failure
>
> I agree. That is why it is crucial to limit the number of points.
>
> On Jul 29, 2005, at 6:31 AM, Davis, John R wrote:
>
> > Hmm.
> >
> > Not a great fan of action/fate points etc.
> >
> > Am playing in an Eberron (dnd d20) game at the moment and that
> > gives you action points, where you can throw an extra dice on a bad
> > roll. Not a great fan, especially when you mee the big bad end
> > monster and you never miss, etc cos you can throw in extra dice to
> > tip the balance...
> >
> > John
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dqn-list@yahoogroups.com]On
> > Behalf Of J. Corey
> > Sent: 29 July 2005 11:18
> > To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [DQN-list] Re: Critcal Success or failure
> >
> >
> > that might actually solve the problem. Thanks!
> >
> > On Jul 29, 2005, at 3:52 AM, dbarrass_2000 wrote:
> >
> >
> >> --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, dq@j... wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> snip <
> >>> One big problem I see with such a system is spells. If you are
> >>>
> >>>
> >> casting a
> >>
> >>
> >>> Flashfire (or is it incinerate? I can't remember) that kills
> >>> instantly,
> >>> then Hero Points could be used to throw game balance way off. But
> >>> this
> >>> could be controled by A) Controling access to special knowledge
> >>> spells
> >>> (like the rules say to do), and B) Limiting the number of Hero
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Points to 3
> >>
> >>
> >>> or so, and being a scrooge when handing them out.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> I have to confess I'm very hazy on the points system (thanks John),
> >> but how about 1 hero point changes the die roll by 10, or 10
> >> experience points (or what ever) changes the die roll by one point (I
> >> guess you don't learn much by just being lucky).
> >>
> >> I may be way off what you're trying to do, if so please ignore me
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > and any copying, distribution or other use of any part of it is
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> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:47:53 -0000
> From: "Stephen Miller" <curmudgeon.gamer@gmail.com>
> Subject: Weekend Excitement
>
> Well, this weekend my players will be making characters for the first
> DragonQuest game I have run since the mid-1990s. I am really looking
> forward to seeing what they make! I just hope I haven't forgotten
> anything we'll need. Let's see, I have got:
> 1. Character Sheets (specially designed by me, based off the original)
> 2. Scratch Paper
> 3. Character Creation Outline (a list of steps for taking the players
> through the process)
> 4. Two copies of DragonQuest, 2nd Ed hardcover
> 5. Two copies of Arcane Wisdom (color cover, comb bound)
> 6. Pencils, pens & erasers (always amazing who forgets these)
> 7. Dice big enough for the GM to see (prevents certain players
> cheating during the process)
>
> I am sure I am missing something, but isn't that just typical? I
> will let you know what the results are come Monday.
>
> Stephen Miller
> Ancient Gamer and Curmudgeon
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:50:28 EDT
> From: Bigbadbobo@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Weekend Excitement
>
> Steve,
> Is there any way we can convince you to GM an email/online campaign.
>
> bob
>
> In a message dated 7/29/2005 1:48:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> curmudgeon.gamer@gmail.com writes:
> Well, this weekend my players will be making characters for the first
> DragonQuest game I have run since the mid-1990s. I am really looking
> forward to seeing what they make! I just hope I haven't forgotten
> anything we'll need. Let's see, I have got:
> 1. Character Sheets (specially designed by me, based off the original)
> 2. Scratch Paper
> 3. Character Creation Outline (a list of steps for taking the players
> through the process)
> 4. Two copies of DragonQuest, 2nd Ed hardcover
> 5. Two copies of Arcane Wisdom (color cover, comb bound)
> 6. Pencils, pens & erasers (always amazing who forgets these)
> 7. Dice big enough for the GM to see (prevents certain players
> cheating during the process)
>
> I am sure I am missing something, but isn't that just typical? I
> will let you know what the results are come Monday.
>
>
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> From: Jason Honhera <albavar@yahoo.com>
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> Stephen Miller <curmudgeon.gamer@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, this weekend my players will be making characters for the first
> DragonQuest game I have run since the mid-1990s. I am really looking
> forward to seeing what they make! I just hope I haven't forgotten
> anything we'll need. Let's see, I have got:
> 1. Character Sheets (specially designed by me, based off the original)
> 2. Scratch Paper
> 3. Character Creation Outline (a list of steps for taking the players
> through the process)
> 4. Two copies of DragonQuest, 2nd Ed hardcover
> 5. Two copies of Arcane Wisdom (color cover, comb bound)
> 6. Pencils, pens & erasers (always amazing who forgets these)
> 7. Dice big enough for the GM to see (prevents certain players
> cheating during the process)
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> I am sure I am missing something, but isn't that just typical? I
> will let you know what the results are come Monday.
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> Stephen Miller
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> Well, this weekend my players will be making characters for the first
> DragonQuest game I have run since the mid-1990s. I am really looking
> forward to seeing what they make! I just hope I haven't forgotten
> anything we'll need. Let's see, I have got:
> 1. Character Sheets (specially designed by me, based off the original)
> 2. Scratch Paper
> 3. Character Creation Outline (a list of steps for taking the players
> through the process)
> 4. Two copies of DragonQuest, 2nd Ed hardcover
> 5. Two copies of Arcane Wisdom (color cover, comb bound)
> 6. Pencils, pens & erasers (always amazing who forgets these)
> 7. Dice big enough for the GM to see (prevents certain players
> cheating during the process)
>
> I am sure I am missing something, but isn't that just typical? I
> will let you know what the results are come Monday.
>
> Stephen Miller
> Ancient Gamer and Curmudgeon
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> Steve,
> Is there any way we can convince you to GM an email/online campaign.

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> You know, to be perfectly honest, I have never run, nor played in an
> email/online game. I have no idea how to go about running one. That,
> combined with the fact that I will have no spare time until at least
> October, makes me reluctantly say that I would not be able to do that
> at this time.
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> As it is I am running a D&D 3e game that is on summer hiatus, the DQ
> game (creation this weekend, game starts in October), a second D&D 3e
> game that is on long term downtime, and playing in an Original D&D
> game. Combine that with a M-F job, performing every weekend at the
> local Renaissance Festival, editing a d20 sourcebook, and trying to
> keep the family and house from falling apart, and you can see my problem!
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> Anyone have any good resources discussing HOW to run an email/online game?
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> Stephen Miller
> Ancient Gamer and Curmudgeon
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> P.S. for the record, it's Stephen, not Steve. Only one ex-girlfriend
> gets to call me Steve.
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> Steve,

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> Have you seen this? I use it all the time for characters. It

> too
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> http://www.iosphere.net/~eric/dq/dqucs.htm

> I read somewhere on the web (and we all know how reliable that is)
> that now that DragonQuest has been out of print since 1989 that it is
> now open to the public except for the name DragonQuest.
> Thus the combat / magic / and skill systems and character generation
> can be used legally as long as you don't call it DragonQuest.
>
> Dose anyone know if there is any truth to this?

> > I read somewhere on the web (and we all know how reliable that is)
> > that now that DragonQuest has been out of print since 1989 that it is
> > now open to the public except for the name DragonQuest.
> > Thus the combat / magic / and skill systems and character generation
> > can be used legally as long as you don't call it DragonQuest.
> >
> > Dose anyone know if there is any truth to this?
>
> No, there is no truth to this, to the best of my knowledge. SPI owned
> the copyright and it transferred to TSR when they bought SPI, likewise
> that transferred to Wizards of the Coast for the same reason and is now
> held by Hasbro, again for the same reason.
> Though, I doubt Hasbro cares much, since they're not doing anything with
> the work, legally, only Hasbro can legally publish that work.

>>>I read somewhere on the web (and we all know how reliable that is)
>>>that now that DragonQuest has been out of print since 1989 that it is
>>>now open to the public except for the name DragonQuest.
>>>Thus the combat / magic / and skill systems and character generation
>>>can be used legally as long as you don't call it DragonQuest.
>>>
>>>Dose anyone know if there is any truth to this?
>>
>>No, there is no truth to this, to the best of my knowledge. SPI owned
>>the copyright and it transferred to TSR when they bought SPI, likewise
>>that transferred to Wizards of the Coast for the same reason and is now
>>held by Hasbro, again for the same reason.
>>Though, I doubt Hasbro cares much, since they're not doing anything with
>>the work, legally, only Hasbro can legally publish that work.
>
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> At the point it was owned by Wizards of the coast I got permission to put
> the modified rules we have on the net as long as I indicated the copyright
> holder and didn't put any Magic the Gathering images on there :-)
>
> That is about the closest I have got to getting any kind of copyright
> confirmation.
>
> Mandos
> /s

> > I read somewhere on the web (and we all know how reliable that is)
> > that now that DragonQuest has been out of print since 1989 that it is
> > now open to the public except for the name DragonQuest.
> > Thus the combat / magic / and skill systems and character generation
> > can be used legally as long as you don't call it DragonQuest.
> >
> > Dose anyone know if there is any truth to this?
>
> No, there is no truth to this, to the best of my knowledge.  SPI owned
> the copyright and it transferred to TSR when they bought SPI, likewise
> that transferred to Wizards of the Coast for the same reason and is now
> held by Hasbro, again for the same reason.
> Though, I doubt Hasbro cares much, since they're not doing anything with
> the work, legally, only Hasbro can legally publish that work.

At the point it was owned by Wizards of the coast I got permission to put
the modified rules we have on the net as long as I indicated the copyright
holder and didn't put any Magic the Gathering images on there :-)

That is about the closest I have got to getting any kind of copyright
confirmation.

Mandos
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> > That is about the closest I have got to getting any kind of copyright
> > confirmation.
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> Really!? Did this come from their legal department? Can you reproduce
> that permission?
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> Great news!