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Raymond Feist. That name always puts me in mind of Midkemia Press (http://www.midkemia.com/). I am wondering if Steve Abrams has a handle on that adventure pack (they mention it on their website)?

One of my all time favorite supplements is their Cities Book (republished by Chaosium and as RuneQuest Cities).

The link to Enchanted Wood (an all image version) is here. Of course, I would encourage anyone who can get ahold of a print copy to buy it. The last time I saw one was around 1983 in a local game store on sale, but I didn't have any money on me at the time (just having shot my student loan on some game like Jorune) and I told myself I would pick it up next time. Next time it was gone.

http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/dq/archive/adventures/Enchanted%20Wood.pdf


Of course, Paul has had a pretty amazing career in the game design industry (http://www.jaquays.com/paul/index.html)

Some of the tinkering I have been doing with DQ is rolling some of the concepts from James Bond back into DQ. Primarily Ease Factors, Hero Points and Quality Results. For those that don't know, Ease Factors are an off shoot of 4.1 Difficulty Factor rules in DQ and the Special Damage Chart 8.2 appears to be the inspiration for the JB Quality Results Table.

JohnR

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The really painful thing that never saw the light of day was an
adventure pack designed by Ray Feist. This was long before he books
were published. But, given the quality of his novels, I'd have bet his
adventure would've been wonderful.

Speaking of which, does anyone on the list have a copy of the Enchanted
Wood?

--- John Rauchert <john.rauchert@sait.ca> wrote:

> One of my all time favorite supplements is their
> Cities Book (republished by Chaosium and as
> RuneQuest Cities).

One of mine as well. I have an ancient, dog-eared
version of the Midkemia release.

> Some of the tinkering I have been doing with DQ is
> rolling some of the concepts from James Bond back
> into DQ. Primarily Ease Factors, Hero Points and
> Quality Results.

We used Hero Points sporadically in our DQ campaigns
as well. I don't remember the JB Quality Results.
Have to see if I still have my copy of JB.





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It is also 8 in the 3rd Edition. 1st Edition was 5
but I gathered from David Ritchie that it was deemed
to low and made 8 later.

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> Ok Chris,
>
> This has been killing me. And I don't want to start
> an avalanche of
> questions, but...
> Why is PC 5 in the hard cover, and 8 in the bantam
> soft cover? We use
> 8.
>
> John
> On Apr 3, 2005, at 10:03 PM, Chris Klug wrote:
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> >
> > Hello
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> Science from 3rd,
> >> and
> >> combat is a mix of 1st & 2nd and the rest is 2nd
> editiion.
> >>
> >>
> > I can't even remember. How did shields work in
> 1st edition?
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
> Wow. The first edition rules. I'd thought there wouldn't be too many
> of those left these days.

I think that 1st edition is the most common version for sale on eBay.
I never kept a count, but when I was regularly checking there, it
seemed like a lot of what was being offered was 1st edition sets.

I still have mine, and it's in pretty good condition. (I also have a
3rd edition copy but I don't use it.) We switched over to 2nd edition
once it was out, and stuck with that for our campaign.

--Rodger

I have 3 1st edition sets, my one much worn, hardbound 2nd edition set
and 2 3rd editions.

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--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, Chris Klug <eaglewing@m...> wrote:

>
> Wow. The first edition rules. I'd thought there wouldn't be too many

> of those left these days.

I think that 1st edition is the most common version for sale on eBay.
I never kept a count, but when I was regularly checking there, it
seemed like a lot of what was being offered was 1st edition sets.

I still have mine, and it's in pretty good condition. (I also have a
3rd edition copy but I don't use it.) We switched over to 2nd edition
once it was out, and stuck with that for our campaign.

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--- "Jeffery K. McGonagill" <igmod@comcast.net> wrote:

> The biggest expansion I've done is coming up with
> retail pricing for
> Potions, Investments, and Artifacts that are
> comparable to each other.

You wouldn't have that list posted somewhere, would
you? Has it been well play-tested?

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> Ok Chris,
>
> This has been killing me. And I don't want to start an avalanche of
> questions, but...
> Why is PC 5 in the hard cover, and 8 in the bantam soft cover? We use
> 8.

The Bantam edition went to press after the 2nd edition. Any
discrepancies between the two should be resolved in favor of the Bantam
edition. We thought the Bantam edition was gonna break the game out
into the wide audience.

Huh.

>
> Some of the tinkering I have been doing with DQ is rolling some of the
> concepts from James Bond back into DQ. Primarily Ease Factors, Hero
> Points and Quality Results. For those that don't know, Ease Factors
> are an off shoot of 4.1 Difficulty Factor rules in DQ and the Special
> Damage Chart 8.2 appears to be the inspiration for the JB Quality
> Results Table.

The entire James Bon design came directly from both those ideas, yes.
I later on did a re-design of DQ where I expanded on the Bond ideas
even further, matching opponents' QRs to determine results. It worked
quite well. I used it in a N64 RPG I designed.

Also, I'm curious. What kind of world are you guys using the DQ system
in? Are they all like middle ages Europe?

Chris

All

> Ok Chris,
>
> This has been killing me.  And I don't want to start an avalanche of
> questions, but...
> Why is PC 5 in the hard cover, and 8 in the bantam soft cover?  We use
> 8.

The Bantam edition went to press after the 2nd edition.  Any
discrepancies between the two should be resolved in favor of the Bantam
edition.  We thought the Bantam edition was gonna break the game out
into the wide audience.

Huh.

>
> Some of the tinkering I have been doing with DQ is rolling some of the
> concepts from James Bond back into DQ. Primarily Ease Factors, Hero
> Points and Quality Results. For those that don't know, Ease Factors
> are an off shoot of 4.1 Difficulty Factor rules in DQ and the Special
> Damage Chart 8.2 appears to be the inspiration for the JB Quality
> Results Table.

The entire James Bon design came directly from both those ideas, yes. 
I later on did a re-design of DQ where I expanded on the Bond ideas
even further, matching opponents' QRs to determine results.  It worked
quite well.  I used it in a N64 RPG I designed.

Also, I'm curious.  What kind of world are you guys using the DQ system
in?  Are they all like middle ages Europe?

Chris

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Hi all,
I've been running a bunch of die hard D&Ders through a
DQ campaign and for the most part the reaction has
been favorable. I've been experimenting with some
changes that have been going quite well.
First, I've made all rolls where high is good. The way
this works is roll the %dice and add your skill. If
you get above 100% it is a success. Mages rolling
below %70 backfires.
In combat, and in spells with counter spells, etc. Or
even any contested rolls we have been rolling, adding
our skill, and then defender rolls and adds skill
(defense, willpower, magic resistance, whatever) and
whoever rolls higher wins. The balance mostly remains,
but the feeling of going head to head is much stronger
than trying to roll some number. Oh, and modifiers are
applied as well.
The campaign I have been running allows very little
down time and so I have reduced the time to do many
things and recover from injury one time step down, so
a month becomes a week and a week becomes a day, etc.
I have also been much easier on the deadliness. I do
like the effects that enhance role play, but not the
ones that keep players out of the game for a session
or more. Mostly I just read around the roll until I
either find one that would make the situation exciting
or challenging or I just drop it. The problem I had is
that combat is so deadly that the players would
contrive the most outrageous plan to avoid all combat.
Maybe that's what I would really do, but I can't
imagine a hero doing it.
I made a change to magic so that mages could be more
varied and we did not have everyone becoming a mage.
Any mage can learn the general knowledge spells of any
other college, but they are treated as special
knowledge spells. They must find someone to teach it
and the special knowledge penalties apply.
One big problem I still have is that magic is much
more fun and varied than just about anything else.
I've been playing around with one system for combat.
Take your weapon skill again, but as a special use.
So, you could take rapier a second time as rapier
parry and that increases your evade. Giant axe/ cleave
increases the damage. Pretty much anything they wanted
from D&D I let them take as an extra. You cannot rank
higher than your base skill though.
Is anybody else adding more variety to what it means
to be a warrior? Anybody try attacks of opportunity?
I think the conclusion of the group is that they like
D&D 3rd edition a little better, except for the magic,
and it's mostly due to 20 years of suplements. Anybody
interested in building some free suppliments? I've got
a very experienced role playing group who is willing
to experiment. I've seen the attempts at some new
class skills, and while some are quite good, they
don't feel "packaged", meaning they lack a uniformity
and some are just game breakers. Also, has anybody
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That N64 game wouldn't be "Aidyn Chronicles: The First Mage" by any
chance?

I have played in mostly traditional Pseudo-Medieval campaigns. However,
I want to run a "Dark Powers" campaign based in Clark Aston Smith's
Zothique.

I am just starting a website for this purpose (right now I am using it
for my Call of Cthulhu material.

http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/deathaspected/


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seas. But they did not prosper in Tinarath: for death was deemed a holy
thing by the people of that gray country; and the nothingness of the
tomb was not lightly to be desecrated; and the raising up of the dead by
necromancy was held in abomination."

The Empire of The Necromancers -- CAS


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The entire James Bond design came directly from both those ideas, yes.
I later on did a re-design of DQ where I expanded on the Bond ideas
even further, matching opponents' QRs to determine results. It worked
quite well. I used it in a N64 RPG I designed.

Also, I'm curious. What kind of world are you guys using the DQ system
in? Are they all like middle ages Europe?

I mentioned that I was considering a project for DQPA.

One that I was considering is a series of DQPA approved guides for
creating things like new class skills focused around greater conformity
(rather than uniformity) to the existing rules and greater game balance
(these guides would be based on the "official" rules that exist now).

JohnR

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Anybody
interested in building some free suppliments? I've got
a very experienced role playing group who is willing
to experiment. I've seen the attempts at some new
class skills, and while some are quite good, they
don't feel "packaged", meaning they lack a uniformity
and some are just game breakers. Also, has anybody
else tried converting d20 supplements?




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I mentioned that I was considering a project for DQPA. 

One that I was considering is a series of DQPA approved guides for
creating things like new class skills focused around greater conformity
(rather than uniformity) to the existing rules and greater game balance
(these guides would be based on the "official" rules that exist now).

JohnR

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Anybody
interested in building some free suppliments? I've got
a very experienced role playing group who is willing
to experiment. I've seen the attempts at some new
class skills, and while some are quite good, they
don't feel "packaged", meaning they lack a uniformity
and some are just game breakers. Also, has anybody
else tried converting d20 supplements?



           
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> Also, I'm curious. What kind of world are you guys using the DQ system
> in? Are they all like middle ages Europe?
>
> Chris

My world is fairly close. I would describe it as "High Fantasy". Less
about knights, and more about elves. Though I treasure my own little
world, it would be splitting hairs to say that I thought it was that far
off from the middle ages. I sort of took every fantasy nvel I ever read
and created an amalgam (sp?). Though the actual campaign I ran most
recently was based on the computer game "Myth: The Fallens Lords" from
Bungie studios. I used the GURPS source book, and converted everything to
DQ stats.

JohnC

If I remember the system correctly (it is in a box somewhere), you started
with 1 or 2 points that could be used to modify dice roles in your favor.
Then you would earn more hero points.
How have you folks added this to your DQ games?

JohnC

--- Chris Klug <eaglewing@mac.com> wrote:

> edition. We thought the Bantam edition was gonna
> break the game out
> into the wide audience.
>
> Huh.

Alas, the inherent virtues of ideas are a poor
indicators of their survivability in the "real world".
In a more perfect world, perhaps...

> The entire James Bon design came directly from both
> those ideas, yes.
> I later on did a re-design of DQ where I expanded on
> the Bond ideas
> even further, matching opponents' QRs to determine
> results. It worked
> quite well. I used it in a N64 RPG I designed.

Oh, great, now I have to get my hands on a copy of
this too. Back to eBay... :>

> Also, I'm curious. What kind of world are you guys
> using the DQ system
> in? Are they all like middle ages Europe?

In the campaigns I've been in, yes.

We based all our campaigns on the Frontiers of Alusia
map, probably one of the best gaming products I've
ever laid hands on. For the most part, we treated the
lands directly represented on the maps as a standard
medieval-Europe based fantasy settings. Of course,
the lands are very sparesely populated (by human /
demihumans, at any rate), so there was also a bit of
an Old West feel to it.

My old GM took more liberties with the southern lands
referred to in the FoA map as The Five Sisters, making
them more Oriental analogues (Japan, China, India,
etc.). He played a lot with the comment about them
being "decadent and in decline" and expanded on it
enormously. A lot of the flavor of those countries
was inspired by Moorcock's Melnibone, with a splash of
Lovecraft thrown in.

I don't remember how much of this was directly hinted
at in the FoA map descriptor, but the backstory of our
campaigns was that the Frontiers used to be controlled
by the Five Sisters several hundred years earlier, but
civilization receeded. The Five Sisters are still run
by an aristocracy of Greater Summoners, and all
non-human races are slave races in those areas (I seem
to recall we had a tie-in there with the Palace of
Ontoncle module). Most of our campaign villains came
from Five Sisters, minor nobles trying to establish
more power for themselves by "reconquering" Alusian
territory from Baron Carzala. By the end of the
campaign (when we all graduated from college), our
characters had become a kind of Ranger force, watching
the borders for that sort of incursion.

Our old GM used to take one or two sentence from that
map and make whole cultures from them. I wish I could
remember most of the details about his Confederated
Baronies backstory. I just remember they were always
as war with each other, and you could make a fortune
running iron up there for the weapons trade. :)

The terse and sometimes cryptic remarks in the FoA map
about various portions of the Alusian continent proved
fertile seeds for filling in the geography and culture
with our own ideas, and we still have only filled in a
fraction of it.

I find it interesting that you mentioned you still use
DQ and -RuneQuest-. He ran us through several RQ
modules, too, Snakepipe Hollow and Duck Pond, using DQ
rules. My old GM loved to incorporated stuff from
RuneQuest into our DQ campaign. He said the systems
were remarkably easy to translate between. Do you do
the same?

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>Also, I'm curious. What kind of world are you guys using the DQ system
>in? Are they all like middle ages Europe?

We typically used the Frontiers of Alusia when actual locations were at
issue, but most of our adventures required no specific geography, so took
place in a sort of undefined "Fantasy World v.1.0"). We also converted a
lot of materials from other game systems, so our characters tended to
shuttle quite freely between universes--we spent time in the DragonLance
world, Lankhmar, and the Young Kingdoms, to name a few. I always described
the feel of our DQ world as "Quasi-Early Renaissance" rather than "Middle
Ages," but what that really meant is anyone's guess. :-)

-Cameron

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, dq@j... wrote:

> If I remember the system correctly (it is in a box somewhere), you

started

> with 1 or 2 points that could be used to modify dice roles in your

favor.

> Then you would earn more hero points.
> How have you folks added this to your DQ games?

The way we did it was that a Hero Point could convert an unsuccessful
roll to a normal success, a normal success to a Endurance or 2x
success and an Endurance/2x success to a Grievious/3x success.
Conversely it could be used in reverse against the roll of an
opponent. We also would allow it to be used for a reroll on the
effect or damage die.

We generally gave 1 or 2 pts at the end of an adventure with the odd
extra point given for achieving special objectives during the adventure.

Phil

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, Chris Klug <eaglewing@m...> wrote:

> Also, I'm curious. What kind of world are you guys using
> the DQ system in? Are they all like middle ages Europe?

The first campaigns we ran were in FoA. Later we ran extensive
campaigns using Harn as the backdrop with multiple GMs.

For the last few years I've been using TSR's Red Steel campaign
setting. Found it in the clearance bin at a game store and picked it
up on a whim. In general I found it to be a nice setting with a nice
selection of cultures for flavor.

Lately I've been pondering starting a new FoA campaign again.

-Phil

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, Chris Klug <eaglewing@m...> wrote:

> We thought the Bantam edition was gonna break the game out
> into the wide audience.

Just thought I would mention that I can relate a story of at least one
instance of it doing just that. A local school teacher stumbled
across that Bantam edition when it came out and became so intrigued
with it and RPGs that he started a club for students at the Junior
High where he taught.

-Phil

Greetings all,
Good to see so much activity on the boards. The main
campaign
setting I was using has a medieval setting, but recently I have
decided
to take a shot at The Oathbound series as something different for
myself and the players.
Along the line of playing Dragonquest I have added skills
to
the game as well as some new colleges. I guess the biggest issue for
me
has been one of game balance and playability. In the end, my players
had a greater influence on what I did more then anything else. The
earliest skills I added about 15 years ago were combat related
skills,
pitfighter, Templar and Bounty Hunter. I called them professional
skills and if you took one you were excluded from other ones. When
D20
came along I incorporated a number of skills and greatly expanded the
colleges. Not finding the arcane addition until the internet came
along
I made a College of the Arcane with some similarities to Ensorselment
and Enchantments but with some differences.
Tom

I'd love to hear more. I'll go back through the list.

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, John Rauchert <john.rauchert@s...> wrote:
> I mentioned that I was considering a project for DQPA.
>
> One that I was considering is a series of DQPA approved guides for
> creating things like new class skills focused around greater conformity
> (rather than uniformity) to the existing rules and greater game balance
> (these guides would be based on the "official" rules that exist now).
>
> JohnR
>
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>
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> Anybody
> interested in building some free suppliments? I've got
> a very experienced role playing group who is willing
> to experiment. I've seen the attempts at some new
> class skills, and while some are quite good, they
> don't feel "packaged", meaning they lack a uniformity
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I'm running a cross between cuthulu and wizard of earth sea. I
expanded on the mythos of the college of naming. As I recal, one
theory is that the first namer named everything and they took shape. A
namers view of genesis. I thought what if namers keep naming things
and that takes them from a magic state to a named mundane state. The
amount of available mana would slowly disapear. With the mana, the
magic races will also disapear and what will be left is our modern
mundane world. There is another, secret college who has no names and
when they join they renounce thier names. They have been trying to
tear a hole in the planes where mana comes from, which is also where
deamons, elementals, etc live. This struggle has been going on for
millenea. I had to shorten the lives of elves so no one would have
lived long enough to know the whole story except dragons. Through
these ages, several empires have risen and fallen in sync with the
cycle of the movements and relative closeness of the various planes.
Cyclically the boundaries are stronger or weaker. The players have
been discovering lost cities and ancient artifacts that noone can
comprehend. As the players have unravelled this mystery, it has become
clear that if the nameless cult gets thier way, the fabric of reality
could be torn to shreds and if the namers get thier way the magic
races would dissapear. None in the group took namer and after some
reflection, they can't think of a single non-human namer they have
ever encountered.
So, that's my world.

> Also, I'm curious. What kind of world are you guys using the DQ system
> in? Are they all like middle ages Europe?
>
> Chris

Actually, its not a list, its formulas.

Temporary Investments
((Experience Pt cosst of Spell to be invested x Rank of Spell) + (300x Rank
with Investement))/5

Permanent Investments
((Experience Pt cosst of Spell to be invested x Rank of Spell) + (300x Rank
with Investement))/5 + (50x Rank with Binding Ritual) x 2

Artifacts
Determine cost as per book + cost of time involved (determined by annual
cost for the Shaper's Shoppe) x 2

Potions
Determine cost as per book x 2

~Jeffery~

> > The biggest expansion I've done is coming up with
> > retail pricing for
> > Potions, Investments, and Artifacts that are
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>
> You wouldn't have that list posted somewhere, would
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>
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That sounds pretty good.  My friend and I did several new Colleges and a couple skills back when we were playing literally every day after school.  But I would only feel comfortable showing one of them around now as it is the only one that I redesigned using the guidelines from Arcane Wisdom.  Without doing that most new Colleges seem hopelessly broken.

 

Just a question:  Has anyone else restricted certain Colleges to certain regions?  I'm thinking like the Egyptians in our world were fascinated by death and so developed Necromantic Conjurations, whereas the Druids of the British Isles were Earth Magicians.  Basically, since I use Alusia, I have it set so that the folks on the other side of the desert use the new Colleges primarily.  This keeps the players on their toes and prevents the escalation of mages due to an overwhelming variety to choose from.

John Rauchert <john.rauchert@sait.ca> wrote:

I mentioned that I was considering a project for DQPA. 

One that I was considering is a series of DQPA approved guides for
creating things like new class skills focused around greater conformity
(rather than uniformity) to the existing rules and greater game balance
(these guides would be based on the "official" rules that exist now).

JohnR

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Anybody
interested in building some free suppliments? I've got
a very experienced role playing group who is willing
to experiment. I've seen the attempts at some new
class skills, and while some are quite good, they
don't feel "packaged", meaning they lack a uniformity
and some are just game breakers. Also, has anybody
else tried converting d20 supplements?



           
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I was going a bit further than most people with mixing James Bond and DQ.

I was actually thinking of rewriting the system to work off of the JB Multiplication Table and Quality Results. Now I didn't get very far and some of the concepts were still half baked when I moved on to other projects.

See the following document for an explanation of JB Hero Points.
http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/dq/archive/gameplay/heropoints.pdf

Basically in JB the ease factor of your attempt (1/2 extremely difficult to 10 ridiculously easy) is multiplied by your Primary Chance (determined by the stats used for the skill and your skill level) to give you a SC or Success Chance. You roll percentile dice and compare the results to the Quality Results Table. Above your SC you fail below your SC you succeed, the Quality Results Table tells you how well you succeed.
Hero Points modify this by allowing you to move your Quality result up the scale (or your opponents results down the scale).

In DragonQuest, we have formulas for determining Success Chances. For Example:

For a Thief to Open a Safe
([2xMD] + [5xRank] - [7x Safe Rank])

In a James Bond-like DQ system it would change to something like:
(A Modifed MD) + Rank * Ease Factor of Safe

JohnR

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From: dq@johncorey.com [mailto:dq@johncorey.com]
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Subject: [DQN-list] James Bond hero points




If I remember the system correctly (it is in a box somewhere), you started
with 1 or 2 points that could be used to modify dice roles in your favor.
Then you would earn more hero points.
How have you folks added this to your DQ games?

JohnC

That would be great! I'm trying to keep the number of side adventures
up so the players are never really sure if they are on a wild goose
chase, or if this will lead to more info. I'm also trying to lead them
to contacting deamons in the quest for more information. I do wish now
that I had kept logs of this campaign. It all started so innocently. :
) They were just supposed to help secure an alliance and as they asked
more questions, this whole thing kinda grew.

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, Loki Freyr <lfreyr@y...> wrote:
>
> Jim, I have a journal of each gameday for the last two DQ campaigns
I ran. I think they would work well as a sort of supplement. They have
a very strong DQ flavor (I frequently involve demons), and you can rob
from them freely for game ideas. They are MS Word docs which I'll
gladly email to you if you're interested. I could also save them as .
rtf or .txt, of course.
>
> If anyone else has campaign notes they have kept for DQ campaigns
and are willing to share them, I would love to get copies. I really
enjoy reading such things.
>
> --Loki
>
> p.s. Here's an excerpt from the journal, so you can see the format:
>
>
>
> September 8. (Cloudy. ½ Moon.)
>
> Rasa, Sir Garrett and Lord Derrack (say "der ROCK") are dispatched
into the sewers beneath the city to seek Snedra. Hengest, a soldier
from the far south who was just hired as a castle guard, joins them.
The party is instructed to bring Snedra back alive and unharmed, if at
all possible.
>
> The sewers are built out of dressed stone, twenty feet wide, with
arches twenty feet high at the peak. There are four-foot walkways,
slightly inclined, on either side of a deep center channel that is
twelve feet wide. Troughs balanced by counterweights constantly fill
and then dump water to flush out the channels (built by the dwarves
who founded this city centuries ago). The walkways are wet and
therefore slippery, making poor platforms for fighting. Luckily, the
ambient noise from running and dripping water is loud enough to cover
the party's footsteps. Sir Garrett goes in wolf form.
>
> After taking some damage from wards of ignite flammables on the
doorways, the party finds and traps Snedra, Malthus, Corred, and
Snedra's serving wench in a large chamber. Malthus is killed by Lord
Derrack, who puts an arrow in him and then snaps his neck with his
bare hands. Corred is tossed into the pool that comprises most of the
room, where his chainmail drags him to the bottom to drown.
>
> Snedra, who is a black witch, calls her master, the Demon Lord
Sitri. Sitri at first appears as a supernaturally handsome man. When
he tells Snedra that the price for his help will be the life of her
unborn child, Snedra refuses. Sitri then announces that he will kill
everyone in the room, including Snedra. He transforms, sprouting wings
like a gryphon, while his head changes to that of a leopard.
>
> Sitri hovers in the air in the center of the chamber...
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------

> Jim, I have a journal of each gameday for the last two DQ campaigns I ran.
> I think they would work well as a sort of supplement. They have a very
> strong DQ flavor (I frequently involve demons), and you can rob from them
> freely for game ideas. They are MS Word docs which I'll gladly email to

you

> if you're interested. I could also save them as .rtf or .txt, of course.
> If anyone else has campaign notes they have kept for DQ campaigns and are
> willing to share them, I would love to get copies. I really enjoy reading
> such things.

We have hundreds of them. If you go to www.dragonquest.org.nz and click on
the dragonquest library it is where we keep copies of scribe notes from
adventures. Basically each adventure that gets run (5-10 each quarter) has a
scribe who should document the adventure, this does not always get done (or
finished) but there are a decent number of scribe notes there spanning the
last 20 years or so.

Mandos
/s

Hello

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> _
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 11:09:13 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jason Honhera <albavar@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 359
>
> I pretty much used Frontiers of Alusia whenever we ran, but it was
> rarely for more than a session or 2 and no one wants to try something
> other than D&D these days. One thing that bothers me though... My
> friend and I have 3 box sets of 2nd Edition between us with softcover
> books and they also have the 5 PC... just wondering why they are
> different. Although I will tell you that elves were very popular due
> to the bonus PC.

As the game was evolving, I was using PC a lot more than the previous
designers were. So, we felt that it needed to be higher. Hey, you
know we were making it up as we went.

>
> That N64 game wouldn't be "Aidyn Chronicles: The First Mage" by any
> chance?

Ohmygod, yeah. I never figured people on this list would've played
that game. Did you play it, and how did you know it was the game I
spoke of?

> Just a question: Has anyone else restricted certain Colleges to
> certain regions? I'm thinking like the Egyptians in our world were
> fascinated by death and so developed Necromantic Conjurations, whereas
> the Druids of the British Isles were Earth Magicians. Basically,
> since I use Alusia, I have it set so that the folks on the other side
> of the desert use the new Colleges primarily. This keeps the players
> on their toes and prevents the escalation of mages due to an
> overwhelming variety to choose from.

See, I was asking because I found Alusia to be, ahem, useless. It's
the societies that make the world, not the geography. DQ was SOOO tied
to a high fantasy setting that I found it very difficult to move it to
any other society.

> If I remember the system correctly (it is in a box somewhere), you
> started
> with 1 or 2 points that could be used to modify dice roles in your
> favor.
> Then you would earn more hero points.
> How have you folks added this to your DQ games?

I use Hero Points in every rpg system I've ever run since I came up
with them for Bond. I also use Villain Points

> We based all our campaigns on the Frontiers of Alusia
> map, probably one of the best gaming products I've
> ever laid hands on. For the most part, we treated the
> lands directly represented on the maps as a standard
> medieval-Europe based fantasy settings. Of course,
> the lands are very sparesely populated (by human /
> demihumans, at any rate), so there was also a bit of
> an Old West feel to it.

Okay, so I'm willing to stand corrected. Why did you think Alusia was
so good?

> Our old GM used to take one or two sentence from that
> map and make whole cultures from them.

Ah, that might be the secret. A great GM.

> I find it interesting that you mentioned you still use
> DQ and -RuneQuest-. He ran us through several RQ
> modules, too, Snakepipe Hollow and Duck Pond, using DQ
> rules. My old GM loved to incorporated stuff from
> RuneQuest into our DQ campaign. He said the systems
> were remarkably easy to translate between. Do you do
> the same?

Well, in part that is because RQ was a big influence on the DQ design.
If I was to start a campaign today, I'd use a hybrid, but it would be
more influenced by RQ than DQ. I really liked RQIII's Sorcery system,
to be honest. And hit location. I tried to get Hit Location into DQII
but was outvoted. I'd push a lot harder for it today.

> The way we did it was that a Hero Point could convert an unsuccessful
> roll to a normal success, a normal success to a Endurance or 2x
> success and an Endurance/2x success to a Grievious/3x success.
> Conversely it could be used in reverse against the roll of an
> opponent. We also would allow it to be used for a reroll on the
> effect or damage die.

That's basically how I use it now.

> Just thought I would mention that I can relate a story of at least one
> instance of it doing just that. A local school teacher stumbled
> across that Bantam edition when it came out and became so intrigued
> with it and RPGs that he started a club for students at the Junior
> High where he taught.

So maybe the idea wasn't as crazy as some thought it was.

>
> If anyone else has campaign notes they have kept for DQ campaigns and
> are willing to share them, I would love to get copies. I really enjoy
> reading such things.

I do have some such files, would anyone be interested if I shared them?

Chris

My own campaign world began in 1981, and maps and detail have been
accumulating since then. I would say that the largest inspiration for
the setting is European, though there are other cultures represented,
as well. There are cognates for Japan and the Indian subcontinent,
for example. I wouldn't call it medieval, however. A couple other
people here have already alluded to their campaigns being closer to
the Renaissance, and I think the same is true with my game as well.

The current iteration of my game is set in a region of competing
city-states with a relatively wild lands and numerous fierce creatures
in between them. It's lightly inspired by the historical Italian city
states and their feuds, but all in the middle of a continent, rather
than on a constrained peninsula.

I think that there is something in DQ that naturally encourages the
notion of a more advanced and enlightened world (or one that is moving
in that direction). Things like the Adventurers' Guild, the system of
Skills, the necessity to be literate for many skills, etc. all seem to
point towards a more advanced setting than peasants-in-the-mud (though
we also had a really good peasants campaign run by one of my friends
where even a single silver penny was deemed a minor fortune).

We've also had a couple of shorter run campaigns set in
quasi-historical settings. One was in late Roman Britain (where the
druids' magic was real!), another was a fantasy Ireland. I have been
gathering together all of the information from "Albion: Land of
Faerie" (Ares #11) in order to do as David Ritchie suggested and use
it as a DQ campaign setting. I am hoping to set it up on John Corey's
dragonquestadventures website and encourage contributions to
collaboratively develop it and use it as a setting against which we
could write some new adventures.

--Rodger

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, Chris Klug <eaglewing@m...> wrote:
>
> Also, I'm curious. What kind of world are you guys using the DQ system
> in? Are they all like middle ages Europe?
>
> Chris

I'm sure that there would be great interest. GMs are always looking
for suggestions and new ideas and things that they can stea... er,
crib from.

We have a bit of space in this group's Files section. If they are
large files, I could also post them over in the DragonQuest Newsletter
(dqnewsletter, rather than dqn-list) Files, which has a lot more room.
Or we might move some things around, here.

(JohnC, if you have the space, we could clear about 10 megs by moving
the adventures out of the folder here and over to your site, if it's
available.)

--Rodger

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, Chris Klug <eaglewing@m...> wrote:

> > If anyone else has campaign notes they have kept for DQ campaigns
and
> > are willing to share them, I would love to get copies. I really
enjoy
> > reading such things.
>
> I do have some such files, would anyone be interested if I shared them?
>
> Chris

> Just a question:  Has anyone else restricted certain Colleges to 
> certain regions?  I'm thinking like the Egyptians in our world were 
> fascinated by death and so developed Necromantic Conjurations, whereas 
> the Druids of the British Isles were Earth Magicians.  Basically, 
> since I use Alusia, I have it set so that the folks on the other side 
> of the desert use the new Colleges primarily.  This keeps the players 
> on their toes and prevents the escalation of mages due to an 
> overwhelming variety to choose from.

See, I was asking because I found Alusia to be, ahem, useless.  It's 
the societies that make the world, not the geography.  DQ was SOOO tied 
to a high fantasy setting that I found it very difficult to move it to 
any other society.

Well, my friends and I were deeply disappointed that the other gazeteers never happened.  Alusia was great because it was the frontier and it made sense that there would be critters out there.  If you were in the civilized lands to the north you would be facing mostly human foes with a scattering of other races. While I run great political games, it is a let down to not throw in the fantastical elements when playing a fantasy game.

The thing I liked best was that there were untamed reaches.  A baron is far more likely to grant a fief to a man who adds to the barony by carving new land out of the wilderness than he is to split an existing fief into 2 parts and upset a (presumably) loyal vassal.  That was something we stole from 1st edition AD&D: building strongholds. 

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Alas, I never played on the N64.

**********WARNING NAME DROPPING ENSUES************

But, I have been lurking around the periphery of the Game Industry for
several years. An acquaintance of mine is the Director of Marketing for
Steve Jackson Games and I have had some contact with the C&S guys (Ed
Simbalist and Wilf Backhaus), since they are both originally from
Alberta (Wilf still practices law in Camrose AB, I believe).

I also had lunch with some of the developers of Neverwinter Nights (from
Bioware out of Edmonton AB) a couple of times when I was involved in the
early days of that game's development and I was asked to become a
Neverwinter Nights forum moderator for Interplay pre-2002 before it
dumped Black Isle Studio and Bioware moved to other publishers.

Currently, I work for the Southern Alberta Institute of Technology in
their Centre for Instructional Technology and Development, Multimedia
Development Services and have been working on Simulations and
Educational Games. I have authored and co-authored several unpublished
RPG game systems (who hasn't) and I follow the goings on in the game
industry through the IDGA and Gamasutra.

But for the record I just googled you and N64
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=chris+klug+n64

John F. Rauchert
Calgary, Alberta, Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Klug [mailto:eaglewing@mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:15 PM
To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DQN-list] Digest Number 360

>
> That N64 game wouldn't be "Aidyn Chronicles: The First Mage" by any
> chance?

Ohmygod, yeah. I never figured people on this list would've played
that game. Did you play it, and how did you know it was the game I
spoke of?

Yes, let's move the adventures over to my site. In fact, I probably
have room for the gazeeters too! For those who don't know rthorm and I
personally... I have been threatening to launch a site dedicated to
Dragon Quest adventures for about a year. This would give me plenty of
content to make it worth while. And I have about 125MB of web server
space to dedicate to this storage. It would be at
www.dragonquestadventures.com. The site is just started, but it could
be whipped into shape soon. Would people rather see it there, or here
on the group? I would also give access rights to rthorm to ensure that
things were updated in a timely manner. What say you?
let's kick this idea around.

John

On Apr 6, 2005, at 3:32 PM, rthorm wrote:

>
>
> I'm sure that there would be great interest. GMs are always looking
> for suggestions and new ideas and things that they can stea... er,
> crib from.
>
> We have a bit of space in this group's Files section. If they are
> large files, I could also post them over in the DragonQuest Newsletter
> (dqnewsletter, rather than dqn-list) Files, which has a lot more room.
> Or we might move some things around, here.
>
> (JohnC, if you have the space, we could clear about 10 megs by moving
> the adventures out of the folder here and over to your site, if it's
> available.)
>
> --Rodger
>
> --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, Chris Klug <eaglewing@m...> wrote:
>
>>> If anyone else has campaign notes they have kept for DQ campaigns
> and
>>> are willing to share them, I would love to get copies. I really
> enjoy
>>> reading such things.
>>
>> I do have some such files, would anyone be interested if I shared
>> them?
>>
>> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

>From: Chris Klug <eaglewing@mac.com>
>
>See, I was asking because I found Alusia to be, ahem, useless. It's
>the societies that make the world, not the geography. DQ was SOOO tied
>to a high fantasy setting that I found it very difficult to move it to
>any other society.

What kinds of other societies are you referring to? I'm trying to think of
some, and all I can come up with is some kind of pseudo-historical campaign
(like the Roman Empire with magic, for example)...but in that case, *of
course* Alusia would be useless, so you must mean something else.

What we found useful about Alusia is the same thing that makes D&D's
Greyhawk stand out from, say, their Forgotten Realms--and that's the *lack*
of definition. There's a real tendency by game publishers nowadays to so
thoroughly "flesh out" their worlds that there's no room left for GMs at
home to squeeze in their own material. Like (early-day) Greyhawk, Alusia
gave you just the broad strokes and a few cryptic references to really
tantalizing possibilities, and left it up to the reader to fill in the rest.
That's almost always better than describing in exhaustive detail what's
actually there (though it probably doesn't sell as many copies).

In other words, it seems to me that the reason so many of us used Alusia is
that it was so readily adaptable to our purposes--pretty much the exact
opposite of your experience. But then, we were all intent upon running a
"high fantasy" game, I'm sure. So I'm curious: what else did you want to
use DQ for?

-Cameron

>From: "rthorm" <rthorm@cornellbox.com>
>
>I think that there is something in DQ that naturally encourages the
>notion of a more advanced and enlightened world (or one that is moving
>in that direction). Things like the Adventurers' Guild, the system of
>Skills, the necessity to be literate for many skills, etc. all seem to
>point towards a more advanced setting than peasants-in-the-mud (though
>we also had a really good peasants campaign run by one of my friends
>where even a single silver penny was deemed a minor fortune).

I never really thought about *why* DQ felt this way to me, but I think
you're right. It was common for non-human PCs to spend some of their
hard-earned XP on becoming literate in our campaign, for example, and we
really placed a premium on having a Party Leader with ranks in Military
Scientist--someone who had actually *studied* tactics. Very insightful of
you, Rodger!

-Cameron

-Cameron

I once ran what I thought would be a one shot game, but everyone liked it so
much it became a campaign in its own right. It was DQ in New York City, and
two the the main characters were a Healer at a hospital and a Necromancer,
who was the Coroner.

Sort of like Quincy and Crossing Jordan meets Buffy and Angel.

~Jeffery~

> We've also had a couple of shorter run campaigns set in
> quasi-historical settings. One was in late Roman Britain (where the
> druids' magic was real!), another was a fantasy Ireland. I have been
> gathering together all of the information from "Albion: Land of
> Faerie" (Ares #11) in order to do as David Ritchie suggested and use
> it as a DQ campaign setting. I am hoping to set it up on John Corey's
> dragonquestadventures website and encourage contributions to
> collaboratively develop it and use it as a setting against which we
> could write some new adventures.
>
> --Rodger
>
> --- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, Chris Klug <eaglewing@m...> wrote:
> >
> > Also, I'm curious. What kind of world are you guys using the DQ system
> > in? Are they all like middle ages Europe?
> >
> > Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I think the main feel is the magic system, it is very categorised,
just the sort of thing that blossomed during the Renaissance. Also
the references read to design the magic system will be from that time
I suspect: the Elemental colleges from Leonardo's notes, the black
magic from 17th century witch trials; Greater summoning Dr Faustus
etc. All of these are Renaissance sources (there aren't many truly
medieval sources left), and fantasy books of course.

I don't think you could run a high fantasy campaign in DQ (someone
will prove me wrong here). Magic is too subtle in DQ, it can be very
powerful, but you've got to choose the right time and location. Magic
is also too chancy.

So my preferred settings are pseudo Renaissance or pseudo Classical

David

>
> >From: "rthorm" <rthorm@c...>
> >
> >I think that there is something in DQ that naturally encourages the
> >notion of a more advanced and enlightened world (or one that is moving
> >in that direction). Things like the Adventurers' Guild, the system of
> >Skills, the necessity to be literate for many skills, etc. all seem to
> >point towards a more advanced setting than peasants-in-the-mud (though
> >we also had a really good peasants campaign run by one of my friends
> >where even a single silver penny was deemed a minor fortune).
>
> I never really thought about *why* DQ felt this way to me, but I think
> you're right. It was common for non-human PCs to spend some of their
> hard-earned XP on becoming literate in our campaign, for example,

and we

> really placed a premium on having a Party Leader with ranks in Military
> Scientist--someone who had actually *studied* tactics. Very

insightful of

> you, Rodger!
>
> -Cameron
>
> -Cameron

I agree here

Plus the way that some of the skills work (alchemy , mechnician, merchant,navigator, healer) its very Renaissance and has a feel that the time of the machine of of industry is 'just around the corner'. Also the way courtesan and troubador work feels very 1600-1700 time feel.

JohnD

-----Original Message-----
From: dbarrass_2000 [mailto:david.barrass@ed.ac.uk]
Sent: 07 April 2005 10:05
To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DQN-list] Re: DQ Campaign Worlds





I think the main feel is the magic system, it is very categorised,
just the sort of thing that blossomed during the Renaissance. Also
the references read to design the magic system will be from that time
I suspect: the Elemental colleges from Leonardo's notes, the black
magic from 17th century witch trials; Greater summoning Dr Faustus
etc. All of these are Renaissance sources (there aren't many truly
medieval sources left), and fantasy books of course.

I don't think you could run a high fantasy campaign in DQ (someone
will prove me wrong here). Magic is too subtle in DQ, it can be very
powerful, but you've got to choose the right time and location. Magic
is also too chancy.

So my preferred settings are pseudo Renaissance or pseudo Classical

David

>
> >From: "rthorm" <rthorm@c...>
> >
> >I think that there is something in DQ that naturally encourages the
> >notion of a more advanced and enlightened world (or one that is moving
> >in that direction). Things like the Adventurers' Guild, the system of
> >Skills, the necessity to be literate for many skills, etc. all seem to
> >point towards a more advanced setting than peasants-in-the-mud (though
> >we also had a really good peasants campaign run by one of my friends
> >where even a single silver penny was deemed a minor fortune).
>
> I never really thought about *why* DQ felt this way to me, but I think
> you're right. It was common for non-human PCs to spend some of their
> hard-earned XP on becoming literate in our campaign, for example,

and we

> really placed a premium on having a Party Leader with ranks in Military > Scientist--someone who had actually *studied* tactics. Very

insightful of

> you, Rodger!
>
> -Cameron
>
> -Cameron

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> We've also had a couple of shorter run campaigns set in
> quasi-historical settings. One was in late Roman Britain (where the
> druids' magic was real!), another was a fantasy Ireland. I have been
> gathering together all of the information from "Albion: Land of
> Faerie" (Ares #11) in order to do as David Ritchie suggested and use
> it as a DQ campaign setting. I am hoping to set it up on John Corey's
> dragonquestadventures website and encourage contributions to
> collaboratively develop it and use it as a setting against which we
> could write some new adventures.
>
> --Rodger

Late to sub-Roman Britain is precicely what I'm doing with my
intermittant campaign (the youngest is 9 so It's not very subtle), but
I intend to include some of the Albion stuff as she grows up. I posted
"Adventures in Albion" (Ares #12) as a PDF in the files section and
keep meaning to do the same with the suff in Ares 11 (We got a big
scanner at work last week so I can do the map now.
The main impettus of my Religion stuff was to include paganism,
druids, bards and early christianity into the campaign setting

So I would be interested in co-opperating in this (time permitting).

David

Ok, when you're ready go to
http://www.magnetmusic.xbuild.com/ and click on
"non-music" on the left. There is one adventure notes
document in MS Word format, and one accompanying map
(crudely done in MS Paint). I thought about emailing
them, but I don't know how everyone would feel about
unexpected attachments showing up. If someone else
wants to add these to an adventure repository
elsewhere, please do.

--Loki


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Sent: Wed 4/6/2005 11:22 AM
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Subject: [DQN-list] Re: supplements





That would be great! I'm trying to keep the number of
side adventures
up so the players are never really sure if they are on
a wild goose
chase, or if this will lead to more info. I'm also
trying to lead them
to contacting deamons in the quest for more
information. I do wish now
that I had kept logs of this campaign. It all started
so innocently. :
) They were just supposed to help secure an alliance
and as they asked
more questions, this whole thing kinda grew.

--- In dqn-list@yahoogroups.com, Loki Freyr
<lfreyr@y...> wrote:

>
> Jim, I have a journal of each gameday for the last

two DQ campaigns
I ran. I think they would work well as a sort of
supplement. They have
a very strong DQ flavor (I frequently involve demons),
and you can rob
from them freely for game ideas. They are MS Word docs
which I'll
gladly email to you if you're interested. I could also
save them as .
rtf or .txt, of course.

>
> If anyone else has campaign notes they have kept for

DQ campaigns
and are willing to share them, I would love to get
copies. I really
enjoy reading such things.

>
> --Loki
>
> p.s. Here's an excerpt from the journal, so you can

see the format:

>
>
>
> September 8. (Cloudy. � Moon.)
>
> Rasa, Sir Garrett and Lord Derrack (say "der ROCK")

are dispatched
into the sewers beneath the city to seek Snedra.
Hengest, a soldier
from the far south who was just hired as a castle
guard, joins them.
The party is instructed to bring Snedra back alive and
unharmed, if at
all possible.

>
> The sewers are built out of dressed stone, twenty

feet wide, with
arches twenty feet high at the peak. There are
four-foot walkways,
slightly inclined, on either side of a deep center
channel that is
twelve feet wide. Troughs balanced by counterweights
constantly fill
and then dump water to flush out the channels (built
by the dwarves
who founded this city centuries ago). The walkways are
wet and
therefore slippery, making poor platforms for
fighting. Luckily, the
ambient noise from running and dripping water is loud
enough to cover
the party's footsteps. Sir Garrett goes in wolf form.

>
> After taking some damage from wards of ignite

flammables on the
doorways, the party finds and traps Snedra, Malthus,
Corred, and
Snedra's serving wench in a large chamber. Malthus is
killed by Lord
Derrack, who puts an arrow in him and then snaps his
neck with his
bare hands. Corred is tossed into the pool that
comprises most of the
room, where his chainmail drags him to the bottom to
drown.

>
> Snedra, who is a black witch, calls her master, the

Demon Lord
Sitri. Sitri at first appears as a supernaturally
handsome man. When
he tells Snedra that the price for his help will be
the life of her
unborn child, Snedra refuses. Sitri then announces
that he will kill
everyone in the room, including Snedra. He transforms,
sprouting wings
like a gryphon, while his head changes to that of a
leopard.

>
> Sitri hovers in the air in the center of the

chamber...

>
>

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Yahoo! Groups Links

I love that site, especially the Seagate Times, and
cherish the Dragonquest pocket universe you and your
friends have created down there. My favorite period
of my life was playing DQ daily at college for years.
I can't wait until my kids are a little older, so I
can start the RPG machine all over again. I seriously
consider retiring to New Zealand, if you all are still
playing (and my government hasn't made Americans
globally unwelcome by then).

I personally would love to hear about the origins of
the group. Who were the original players? Was it a
group of college friends who stayed near the campus
and just kept playing?

> Jim, I have a journal of each gameday for the last

two DQ campaigns I ran.

> I think they would work well as a sort of

supplement. They have a very

> strong DQ flavor (I frequently involve demons), and

you can rob from them

> freely for game ideas. They are MS Word docs which

I'll gladly email to
you

> if you're interested. I could also save them as .rtf

or .txt, of course.

> If anyone else has campaign notes they have kept for

DQ campaigns and are

> willing to share them, I would love to get copies. I

really enjoy reading

> such things.

We have hundreds of them. If you go to
www.dragonquest.org.nz and click on
the dragonquest library it is where we keep copies of
scribe notes from
adventures. Basically each adventure that gets run
(5-10 each quarter) has a
scribe who should document the adventure, this does
not always get done (or
finished) but there are a decent number of scribe
notes there spanning the
last 20 years or so.

Mandos
/s




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Beside the usual (fantasitc) sources, such as Tolkien
and LeGuin, if you are want some unique adventure
ideas, take a look at any books from the Chronicles of
An Age of Darkness series by Hugh Cook. The 10-book
set was originally published in the UK under titles
that followed a pattern: "The W-somethings and the
W-somethings," e.g. The Wicked & The Witless, The
Worshippers & The Way, and so on. Only the first 3
and 1/2 were published in the U.S., the first of which
was entitled "Wizard War." Due to the difficulty in
finding a few of these, Hugh Cook has posted the
entire text of several novels at www.hughcook.com.
Any of them can be read as a standalone story. My
most favorite of the relatively easier-to-find volumes
are books one and four, The Wizards & The Warriors,
and The Walrus & The Warwolf. They are available on
amazon.com, but you might find better prices for some
of them on amazon.co.uk. Wizard War, the American
version of book one, can be purchased used for as
little as fifty cents.

The setting for the books is a post-nuclear-Holocaust
world. If that prompts thoughts of the Sword of
Shannara, be assured that they have nothing in common.


Cook's world was clearly part of a Star Wars-style
interplanetary civilization which became isolated when
they bombed themselves back to the stone age. The
action in the novels takes place 4,000 years after
their world-wrecking war. Magic appeared on the scene
sometime around then. It's pure fantasy, and when the
s characters occasionally encounter stray bits of
ancient technology, those function in the story
exactly as magical artifacts function in traditional
fantasy, without spoiling the high-fantasy feel in the
least.

--Loki

Is there any place we can go to hear a sample of your music?

> Ok, when you're ready go to
> http://www.magnetmusic.xbuild.com/ and click on
> "non-music" on the left. There is one adventure notes
> document in MS Word format, and one accompanying map
> (crudely done in MS Paint). I thought about emailing
> them, but I don't know how everyone would feel about
> unexpected attachments showing up. If someone else
> wants to add these to an adventure repository
> elsewhere, please do.

Stupid trivia question: In addition to the number of us who created
unpublished RPGs, how many of us were in bands at one time?

I will fess up to both.

Marty



"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Love is a full time job, with fringe benefits.

"Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make
them all yourself."

--- "D. Cameron King" <monarchy2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> >From: Chris Klug <eaglewing@mac.com>
> >
> >See, I was asking because I found Alusia to be,
> ahem, useless. It's

> What we found useful about Alusia is the same thing
> that makes D&D's
> Greyhawk stand out from, say, their Forgotten
> Realms--and that's the *lack*
> of definition. There's a real tendency by game
> publishers nowadays to so
> thoroughly "flesh out" their worlds that there's no
> room left for GMs at
> home to squeeze in their own material. Like
> (early-day) Greyhawk, Alusia
> gave you just the broad strokes and a few cryptic
> references to really
> tantalizing possibilities, and left it up to the
> reader to fill in the rest.
> That's almost always better than describing in
> exhaustive detail what's
> actually there (though it probably doesn't sell as
> many copies).

Bingo. This is not a phrase I use to often, but I can
honestly say that you took the words right out of my
mouth. Right down to the point about Greyhawk and
Forgotten Realms. A couple of years ago a group of my
friends started a DD3 campaign set in the FR. We
played probably about a year until our characters were
10th level, the so-called "legendary" levels. It was
about that time we realized that this world had
absolutely no mystery. Everything was explored.
Everything was explained. Everything was defined.
And frankly, you couldn't swing a dead cat and not hit
a "legendary" NPC. I think the village idiot in most
towns was at least 10th level. We were completely
bored, and our DM promptly invented his own
world/history/culture from scratch. That's the world
we've been playing in since (well, until I moved again
recently, sigh).

That seems to be the pattern of the groups I play in.
We don't actually want a world that's defined down to
the last pebble in the stream. We want to build our
own world as we go, either from whole imaginative
cloth or by integrating cool stuff we found in other
system. The FoA map freed us of the tedium of
inventing geography and geology, but provided just
enough creative seeds that we had no trouble filling
in as we went. This is more subjective, but it also
seemed that whenever we wanted to incorporate
something preexisting into the map, there was always
someplace on it that was perfect, a seamless fit.
Part of that may be it was so wide open. I recognize
that it was perhaps just uniquely well-suited to my
groups' tastes and needs. :)

Mort



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--- "Jeffery K. McGonagill" <igmod@comcast.net> wrote:

> I once ran what I thought would be a one shot game,
> but everyone liked it so
> much it became a campaign in its own right. It was
> DQ in New York City, and
> two the the main characters were a Healer at a
> hospital and a Necromancer,
> who was the Coroner.

I've always thought that the DQ system would be easily
adapted to modern setting, but I've never heard of
anyone who tried. Good to see that my suspicions have
been confirmed by play-testing. I'm going to have to
pass this idea around now...

Mort



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--- "Davis, John R" <jrda@bgs.ac.uk> wrote:

> I agree here
>
> Plus the way that some of the skills work (alchemy ,
> mechnician, merchant,navigator, healer) its very
> Renaissance and has a feel that the time of the
> machine of of industry is 'just around the corner'.
> Also the way courtesan and troubador work feels very
> 1600-1700 time feel.
>
> JohnD

I agree with all your examples. Heck, with Healer, DQ
medical technology is several centuries ahead of our
own. But least we forget the most obvious example of
a Renaissance-flavored skill, Mechanician. That an
Industrial Revolution just waiting to happen.

On the other hand, my old GM had a pretty good point
about Mechanician. He treated the Mechanician
profession as more of an artistic one than a practical
one. He said that in a world with functional magic,
engineering would most likely never really get a hold.
Anything that you can do with a machine, you can do
with magic easier and probably better. Granted, DQ
magic is more... unreliable, but if its use already
has established precedence, it's going to be hard to
market your clunky mechanical device as a replacement.
Wizards do make stiff competition on the market.
Also, magic is mostly unreliable when cast, and
becomes considerably more reliable when permanently
invested in items. What are other people's take on
this?

We also had a standing ground rule that no one could
"accidentally" invent gunpowder, since firearms
quickly make obsolete all armor and most bows, not to
mention making the knighted classes of society
irrelevant overnight. Our game world was permanently
two minutes pre-Renaissance. :)

Mort

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Made attempt to use it in space. worked fairly well. have some websapce somewhere with stuff on and many word/excel files with it.

JohnD

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