> much the rights would cost.
> I would love to have Any input from long time DQ players.
> Thanks - John Austin

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>I would like to take a quick moment to introduce myself upon joining

>After all of that, I do have a question concerning the shapeshifter

Welcome aboard David, damn I wish I had another copy of the DQ rules
because I really want to get my hands on a copy of the DUNE rules.

Anyway, a special shape changer issue of the DQ Newsletter from way back
has many alternate rules (including my take on the shape changer).  This
issue can be found at the link below:

http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/dq/archive/dqnewsletter/dqv2n4.htm

For those who are interested the rest of the newsletters are also there
(note: that volume 6 is under construction). An index is located at:

http://johnrauchert.brinkster.net/dq/archive/dqnewsletter/

John F. Rauchert, co-moderator, DQN-List

>Recently I purchased an excellent copy of 1st Edition from Ebay, and
>am lurking around to catch a 2nd edition Hardbound

>After all of that, I do have a question concerning the shapeshifter
>race. The rules are rather hazy considering creating the secondary
>stats list for the were form, as it says to average the human form
>with the animal form, then modify the human characteristics
>appropriately. What exactly does that mean--that my (for example)
>tiger form would be an average of my human characteristics and the
>tiger characteristics? This seems acceptable to me, but the
>phrase "modify the human characteristics appropriately" lost me some.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bruce Probst

Subject: Re: [DQN-list] Introduction

 

On Sat, 16 Mar 2002 04:55:05 -0000, "toganni" <toganni@msn.com> wrote:

>Recently I purchased an excellent copy of 1st Edition from Ebay, and
>am lurking around to catch a 2nd edition Hardbound

Actually, the best edition to get is the Bantam version of 2nd edition.  So
far as I'm aware, it was only made in softcover, but it contained numerous
minor improvements and clarifications that were not in either the soft- or
hard-cover SPI editions (or the TSR 3rd edition, as far as I can tell).

       <snip>

Average human stats are 15 for all (except TMR, obviously).  Find the
average stat for the non-human race, and apply the difference.

> On Sat, 16 Mar 2002 04:55:05 -0000, "toganni" <toganni@m...> wrote:
>
> >Recently I purchased an excellent copy of 1st Edition from Ebay,

> >am lurking around to catch a 2nd edition Hardbound
>
> Actually, the best edition to get is the Bantam version of 2nd

> far as I'm aware, it was only made in softcover, but it contained

> minor improvements and clarifications that were not in either the

> hard-cover SPI editions (or the TSR 3rd edition, as far as I can

>

>From: "David Vance" <toganni@msn.com>
>Reply-To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
>To: <dqn-list@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [DQN-list] Introduction
>Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:02:36 -0800
>
>*sob*
>
>This, after I already spent $44.00 on a hardbound SPI version from Great
>Britain. Foo. With this in mind, I will change my DUNE RPG trade bounty
>to a clean Frontiers of Alusia set and adventure modules swap. Any takers?
>
>Thanks for the pointers on the shape-shifters. I think this format makes
>the most sense to me from what I have seen. What I had been doing was
>averaging from the character's stats rather than the average human's stats,
>but this makes more sense in accordance with the wording.
>
>Best, David
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bruce Probst
>Subject: Re: [DQN-list] Introduction
>
>On Sat, 16 Mar 2002 04:55:05 -0000, "toganni" <toganni@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >Recently I purchased an excellent copy of 1st Edition from Ebay, and
> >am lurking around to catch a 2nd edition Hardbound
>
>Actually, the best edition to get is the Bantam version of 2nd edition. So
>far as I'm aware, it was only made in softcover, but it contained numerous
>minor improvements and clarifications that were not in either the soft- or
>hard-cover SPI editions (or the TSR 3rd edition, as far as I can tell).
>
> <snip>
>
>Average human stats are 15 for all (except TMR, obviously). Find the
>average stat for the non-human race, and apply the difference.

----- Original Message -----

From: Greg Walters

Sent: 19 March 2002 03:41

To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [DQN-list] have a spare Enchanted Wood 4 sale?

 

Or, better yet, would someone GM a session at a Strategicon?

Although I have been in & out of DQ (since Action Points were used), I have purposely not read the Ench Wood scenario.

Another thing, I wonder that perhaps most of us who desire to play a PC rather than GM NPC's spend more of our times of DQing as GM's.
In any case, most of my years have been spent making a living, etc. (though I would like to have played more DQ - who wouldn't?)

Just a thought.

Greg W.

(also, gwalters@GameWorks.com )


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Chello!

For those who don't know, Judges Guild has an online store now and are selling old stock they still have.  They've revised City-State and are reding some of the old adventures for d20.  They still have original copies of "Heroes and Villians" and "Magebird Quest" for $7 and $10 respectively.  Apparently there are no more starsilver Trek available.

http://www.orderitnow.com/cgi-bin/view.pl?vendor=GRIP&action=search&searchwhat=category&category=Paperware\Judges%20Guild\Fantasy\Adventures\DragonQuest&s=

And the main page (index) is here:

http://www.rpgrealms.com/JG/

Later,

Tony

From: Greg Walters

Subject: [DQN-list] have a spare Enchanted Wood 4 sale?

 

Or, better yet, would someone GM a session at a Strategicon?

Another thing, I wonder that perhaps most of us who desire to play a PC rather than GM NPC's spend more of our times of DQing as GM's.

> guess shouldnt really use this forum for selling but....I am willing to

>
> 2nd hardbound, 2nd softbound, 3rd softbound, all in good or better
> condition...also have an allectus and enchanted wood in really very very

> nice condition. shattered statute, magebird quest, starsilver trek,
> heroes and villians in shrink-wrap. email jrd123@hotmail.com for
> specifics. Cant find my boxed 1st, except the hex sheet, alusia or gm
> screen for 1st edition. ??
>

>I'm looking for the Alusia map (booklet not required) if you (or anyone
>else) is willing to part with it. Or I am willing to pay for the cost of a
>large scale colour photocopy of it plus shipping to here if anyone is
>willing to arrange...? Extra money or consideration for time and trouble
>taken gladly offered as well...
>
>Of course, I'm happy to take the Alusia booklet as well (don't want to
>split up a set.) Just saying that if anyone has only the map, then I'd
>also be interested...
>
>Off-list contacts please, to rpg@twistedreality.com.au
>
> Stephen

> Hi,
> id have sold you a hard-bound copy from the uk for less than

> maybe. I have spare hard and soft bound 2nd editions. Id really

> Dune rpg. I have an immaculate copy of the enchanted wood as well

> of all the editions of DQ. I think i have an Alusia somewhere too

> the other modules. Send me an email or a mention here, and it'll

> to have a decent look.
>
> Another John, who sadly doesnt play DQ anymore having fallen under

> of D20.
>
> On an aside. I have about 7 home-written adventures in .pdf format

> sort of form a campaign. Would ther ebe any interest in me tidying

> somewhat and psoting to the group as i note an adventure site on it.
>

>
>
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--- In dqn-list@y..., "davis john" <jrd123@h...> wrote:
> Hi,
> id have sold you a hard-bound copy from the uk for less than
that!!!, well
> maybe. I have spare hard and soft bound 2nd editions. Id really
like the
> Dune rpg. I have an immaculate copy of the enchanted wood as well
as copies
> of all the editions of DQ. I think i have an Alusia somewhere too
and all
> the other modules. Send me an email or a mention here, and it'll
inspire me
> to have a decent look.
>
> Another John, who sadly doesnt play DQ anymore having fallen under
the spell
> of D20.
>
> On an aside. I have about 7 home-written adventures in .pdf format
that
> sort of form a campaign. Would ther ebe any interest in me tidying
them up
> somewhat and psoting to the group as i note an adventure site on it.
>
John,

I think you'll find that there would be a lot of interest in your
adventures - I enjoyed the Brass Ship, and I think you'll find others
in the same boat (sorry!)

Craig Brain
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Tucker [mailto:ttucker@ccsok.com]
Sent: March 27, 2002 6:54 AM
To: dqn-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DQN-list] JohnD Dragon-Newt Campaign

And could you possibly email those to me? or give me the link to the site. I seem to have lost it..

Thanks

>>> john.rauchert@sait.ab.ca 03/27/02 12:03 PM >>>

I like making up my own adventures (and monsters).  My argument about the use of published scenarios (and monsters) is that players tend to "de-reoleplay" adventures (and monters).  Although this is mainly widespread among D&Ders, my game gets spoiled with thinking characterized by such comments as "oh, that's just room #B-21, it has a 2 or 3 type six demons in it."  Basically, with little or no mystery, there is no wonder.

All that haveing been said, I should try to make some helpful suggestion(s) (and monsters) commensurate with whatever chaos I may have created.  GM's should be adept at improvising "on the fly" with the DQ mechanics.  In particular, I think an adventure should be more outlined rather than detailed, particularly where the dispositions of the NPCs (and monsters) are concerned.

Oh well, I'm still at work.  My apologies for throwing out ideas without fully developing them.

Anyone involed in a good DQ campaign lately?  Sounds like most of us are not.

 - Greg W.

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>Anyone involed in a good DQ campaign lately?  Sounds like most of us are not.

>GM's should be adept at improvising "on the fly" with the DQ mechanics. In
>particular, I think an adventure should be more outlined rather than
>detailed, particularly where the dispositions of the NPCs (and monsters)
>are concerned.

>Anyone involved in a good DQ campaign lately? Sounds like most of us are
>not.

>Anyone involed in a good DQ campaign lately? Sounds
>like most of us are not.
>- Greg W.

----- Original Message -----

From: lord_kjeran

 

Chello!

I just had AW printed out and bound at school today and I must
say...SWEET!!!  The cover looks REALLY good behind the clear plastic
cover.

> --- In dqn-list@y..., taichimaster_2001@y... wrote:

> to have to get an
> > attorney who can tell me the status of the
> copyright. The trademark
> > would only be for the name and not the game system
> as we know it. At

>
> Hi,
>
> I'm *brand* new to the list, but I should be able to
> help you with the
> copyright issue. TSR acquired the copyright when
> they bought SPI.
> Now, Wizards of the Coast picked it up when they
> acquired TSR, since
> it would be considered a corporate asset. So, that
> means that Hasbro
> owns it, because they bought Wizards of the Coast.
> Several years ago (1996), I sent a letter to TSR's
> legal department to
> ask about the possibility of getting the rights to
> publish the game
> again. They politely declined. I still have the
> letter. If anyone's
> interested, I could scan it for y'all.
>
> Cheers!
> Jim
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodger Thorm" <rodger_thorm@yahoo.com>
To: <dqn-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [DQN-list] Re: DragonQuest 4th Edition


> Hi Jim--
>
> I thought there was some popular acclaim to see the
> letter you got from WotC earlier, or maybe you scanned
> and posted the letter, but I didn't see it. In any
> case, I'd be interested in seeing it still.
>
> If you need space to post/host the scan, I would be
> glad to put it in this group's file space on Yahoo
> Groups where everyone in the group could access it.
>
> Regards,
> Rodger THORM
>
> --- ryumaou01 <ryumaou@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > --- In dqn-list@y..., taichimaster_2001@y... wrote:
> ...
> > to have to get an
> > > attorney who can tell me the status of the
> > copyright. The trademark
> > > would only be for the name and not the game system
> > as we know it. At
> ...
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm *brand* new to the list, but I should be able to
> > help you with the
> > copyright issue. TSR acquired the copyright when
> > they bought SPI.
> > Now, Wizards of the Coast picked it up when they
> > acquired TSR, since
> > it would be considered a corporate asset. So, that
> > means that Hasbro
> > owns it, because they bought Wizards of the Coast.
> > Several years ago (1996), I sent a letter to TSR's
> > legal department to
> > ask about the possibility of getting the rights to
> > publish the game
> > again. They politely declined. I still have the
> > letter. If anyone's
> > interested, I could scan it for y'all.
> >
> > Cheers!
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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> As I remember, I think the last time that TSR/WoTC used the name it was for
> a board game, not the RPG.
>
> But that was a while ago. I don't know if they used it for any thing else.
>
> Al Lowe
> http://www.harnmaster.com
> Al Lowe's Compleatly UN-Official Harn Page
> ICQ - 16532469
>

> As I remember, I think the last time that TSR/WoTC used the name it

> a board game, not the RPG.
>

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [DQN-list] Re: DragonQuest 4th Edition


> They did actually publish a Third Edition, but I can't say if that came
> before or after the board game. I know they kept it pretty quiet and
> really limited the print run. I have a couple of copies, but it took
> some time to track them down.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
> P.S. I posted the scanned letter to the archive, if you're interested.
>
> Al Lowe wrote:
>
> > As I remember, I think the last time that TSR/WoTC used the name it was
for
> > a board game, not the RPG.
> >
> > But that was a while ago. I don't know if they used it for any thing
else.
> >
> > Al Lowe
> > http://www.harnmaster.com
> > Al Lowe's Compleatly UN-Official Harn Page
> > ICQ - 16532469
> >
>
>
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> Hi Jim--
>
> I thought there was some popular acclaim to see the
> letter you got from WotC earlier, or maybe you scanned
> and posted the letter, but I didn't see it. In any
> case, I'd be interested in seeing it still.
>
> If you need space to post/host the scan, I would be
> glad to put it in this group's file space on Yahoo
> Groups where everyone in the group could access it.
>
> Regards,
> Rodger THORM
>
> --- ryumaou01 <ryumaou@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>--- In dqn-list@y..., taichimaster_2001@y... wrote:
>>
> ...
>
>>to have to get an
>>
>>>attorney who can tell me the status of the
>>>
>>copyright. The trademark
>>
>>>would only be for the name and not the game system
>>>
>>as we know it. At
>>
> ...
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I'm *brand* new to the list, but I should be able to
>>help you with the
>>copyright issue. TSR acquired the copyright when
>>they bought SPI.
>>Now, Wizards of the Coast picked it up when they
>>acquired TSR, since
>>it would be considered a corporate asset. So, that
>>means that Hasbro
>>owns it, because they bought Wizards of the Coast.
>>Several years ago (1996), I sent a letter to TSR's
>>legal department to
>>ask about the possibility of getting the rights to
>>publish the game
>>again. They politely declined. I still have the
>>letter. If anyone's
>>interested, I could scan it for y'all.
>>
>>Cheers!
>>Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>They did actually publish a Third Edition, but I can't say if that came
>before or after the board game. I know they kept it pretty quiet and
>really limited the print run. I have a couple of copies, but it took
>some time to track them down.

--- In dqn-list@y..., "Greg Walters" <Greg_G_Walters@e...> wrote:
<cut>

By the way, is there a similar sort of group to this "yahoogroup"
that is for Universe?
>

Found it! Here's John K's original posting announcing the group on
WebRPG:

}Hullo, folks,
}
}Just thought I would let you know that I have re-launched the
}Universe RPG Group over on Yahoo! Groups. The URL for joining the
}list is
}
}http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/Universe-RPG
}
}and you can join up from there. Hope to see various folks who are
}fans of the game system on the new list, which is just starting out
}once more.
}
}JohnK

--RT

> --- In dqn-list@y..., "Greg Walters"
> <Greg_G_Walters@e...> wrote:
> <cut>
>
> By the way, is there a similar sort of group to this
> "yahoogroup"
> that is for Universe?
> >
>
> Found it! Here's John K's original posting
> announcing the group on
> WebRPG:
>
> }Hullo, folks,
> }
> }Just thought I would let you know that I have
> re-launched the
> }Universe RPG Group over on Yahoo! Groups. The URL
> for joining the
> }list is
> }
> }http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/Universe-RPG
> }
> }and you can join up from there. Hope to see various
> folks who are
> }fans of the game system on the new list, which is
> just starting out
> }once more.
> }
> }JohnK
>
> --RT
>
>
>
>

>Chello!
>
>I just had AW printed out and bound at school today and I must
>say...SWEET!!! The cover looks REALLY good behind the clear plastic
>cover.
>
>And the ability to read the text like a book and to cart it
>around...sheer heaven.
>

> Hi Folks,
>
> I haven't received any posts from any of the
> yahoogroups lists I subscribe
> to in the last few days, so I'm testing to see if
> this post is getting
> though.
>
> Steven P. Ross
> sross@comnet.ca
>
>

>Please, be kind. I'm a bit confused over how the issue of Adepts and
>their "acqusition" of Talents, Spells, and Rituals is handled, per
>the rules of DQ, 3rd Ed.
>
>Rule 34.4 "A character is assumed to have mastered all of the General
>Knowledge of his College . . . [it] is always at Rank 0."
>
>Does this mean that a beginning Adept would know (i.e. be able to
>cast) all General Knowledge Spells and Rituals? Only that they would
>be cast at Rank 0? And while I understand that to improve individual
>spells one should use their "Experience: Multiple" costs, what is the
>cost of learning, or having access to, a particular college?
>
>Rule 34.6 ". . . but can only know a number of spells and rituals of
>Rank 5 or lower equal to his Magical Aptitude. He can know an
>unlimited number of spells and rituals of Rank 6 or higher."
>
>Huh? An Adept can know some spells at a lower proficiency, but any
>number at higher mastery? This rule, in conjunction with 34.7, has
>me really scratching my head. Please, someone, help!

>Rule 34.7 "cannot acquire additional spells . . . unless he attains
>Rank 6 or higher with spells already learned so as to make room . . ."
>
>Make room for new spells or "additioanl knowledge." What's up wit
>dat?

>Finally, how does all of this work with 8.6. and spending your 100
>ExP to acquire any one skill at Rank 0?